DUST Search - [Feedback] Every weapon is about perfect now. HMGs are not. Why?

Drogan Reeth wrote:

Geth Massredux wrote:

Jathniel wrote:

Geth Massredux wrote:

Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game...

So why nerf the HMG... NO clue

Are you being sarcastic?

It's an HMG. It's SUPPOSED to kill better than any weapon. They are called Heavies, they are SUPPOSED to be the strongest suits in the game...
They are also the SLOWEST suits in the game, the BLINDEST (a bat's scan precision) suits in the game. The most HELPLESS suits in the game when they are ambushed.

Your counter-argument is invalid.

Heavys are not Tanks. That being said the whole role for a heavy is not for running solo obviously. You want to run a Heavy, dont run solo then you wont get gunned down... Simply put.... Counter argument.. nah **** that im throwing pure facts

Are you ******* ********? They aren't suppost to tank? They aren't suppost to do any dmg? They aren't suppost to run solo? So what are they suppost to do? Jack off in the corner? Ofcourse a HMG should do more dmg then an assualt it's a heavy weapon it should do more dmg then a light weapon by definition. Right now it does not. Ironically it did not before the nerf either.

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Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:09:00 - [1] - Quote I've tasted every handheld weapon. Everything is flowing just right with Uprising. Why are HMGs nerfed? They are the only flavor missing from this melting pot of goodness. This isn't balanced for Heavies by any means, at all. :(
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 239	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:16:00 - [2] - Quote Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game... So why nerf the HMG... NO clue
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:21:00 - [3] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game... So why nerf the HMG... NO clue Are you being sarcastic? It's an HMG. It's SUPPOSED to kill better than any weapon. They are called Heavies, they are SUPPOSED to be the strongest suits in the game... They are also the SLOWEST suits in the game, the BLINDEST (a bat's scan precision) suits in the game. The most HELPLESS suits in the game when they are ambushed. Your counter-argument is invalid.
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 240	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:26:00 - [4] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game... So why nerf the HMG... NO clue Are you being sarcastic? It's an HMG. It's SUPPOSED to kill better than any weapon. They are called Heavies, they are SUPPOSED to be the strongest suits in the game... They are also the SLOWEST suits in the game, the BLINDEST (a bat's scan precision) suits in the game. The most HELPLESS suits in the game when they are ambushed. Your counter-argument is invalid. Heavys are not Tanks. That being said the whole role for a heavy is not for running solo obviously. You want to run a Heavy, dont run solo then you wont get gunned down... Simply put.... Counter argument.. nah **** that im throwing pure facts
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet 773	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:42:00 - [5] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Heavys are not Tanks. That being said the whole role for a heavy is not for running solo obviously. You want to run a Heavy, dont run solo then you wont get gunned down... Simply put.... Counter argument.. nah ** that im throwing pure Sperging opinions** Fixed that for you
bacon blaster VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 18	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:48:00 - [6] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Jathniel wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game... So why nerf the HMG... NO clue Are you being sarcastic? It's an HMG. It's SUPPOSED to kill better than any weapon. They are called Heavies, they are SUPPOSED to be the strongest suits in the game... They are also the SLOWEST suits in the game, the BLINDEST (a bat's scan precision) suits in the game. The most HELPLESS suits in the game when they are ambushed. Your counter-argument is invalid. Heavys are not Tanks. That being said the whole role for a heavy is not for running solo obviously. You want to run a Heavy, dont run solo then you wont get gunned down... Simply put.... Counter argument.. nah **** that im throwing pure facts The hmg "was" about right. It had good range, and good damage. It was supposed to be a good crowd control weapon. crowd control means you can put some damage out and really fast. Right now, you can't. You and ping everyone and let them know that you're there, but otherwise, it's kind of useless.
Howling Witch Planetary Response Organization 5	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:09:00 - [7] - Quote Heavy machine gun is straight out **** after this build. Might as well just take the heavy machine gun out of the game out . give me my points back So I can put them in some other weapon that is more use full.
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 27	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:18:00 - [8] - Quote My suggestions: Restore heavies to the way they were before chromosome (HMG included) then, take out their sprint. Accentuate their firepower, accentuate their immobility. As a heavy, I could live with this over what is currently in place any day.
iLLMaTiC619 KiLo. 54	Posted - 2013.05.07 05:06:00 - [9] - Quote Howling Witch wrote: Heavy machine gun is straight out **** after this build. Might as well just take the heavy machine gun out of the game out . give me my points back So I can put them in some other weapon that is more use full. agreed I maxed out my profiency and have 2 complex modz and it is still useless..spent 8.7 million on a broken class :/
Drogan Reeth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 43	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:50:00 - [10] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Jathniel wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game... So why nerf the HMG... NO clue Are you being sarcastic? It's an HMG. It's SUPPOSED to kill better than any weapon. They are called Heavies, they are SUPPOSED to be the strongest suits in the game... They are also the SLOWEST suits in the game, the BLINDEST (a bat's scan precision) suits in the game. The most HELPLESS suits in the game when they are ambushed. Your counter-argument is invalid. Heavys are not Tanks. That being said the whole role for a heavy is not for running solo obviously. You want to run a Heavy, dont run solo then you wont get gunned down... Simply put.... Counter argument.. nah ** that im throwing pure facts Are you *** ******? They aren't suppost to tank? They aren't suppost to do any dmg? They aren't suppost to run solo? So what are they suppost to do? Jack off in the corner? Ofcourse a HMG should do more dmg then an assualt it's a heavy weapon it should do more dmg then a light weapon by definition. Right now it does not. Ironically it did not before the nerf either.

ARF 1049 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 16	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:58:00 - [11] - Quote Drogan Reeth wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Jathniel wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game... So why nerf the HMG... NO clue Are you being sarcastic? It's an HMG. It's SUPPOSED to kill better than any weapon. They are called Heavies, they are SUPPOSED to be the strongest suits in the game... They are also the SLOWEST suits in the game, the BLINDEST (a bat's scan precision) suits in the game. The most HELPLESS suits in the game when they are ambushed. Your counter-argument is invalid. Heavys are not Tanks. That being said the whole role for a heavy is not for running solo obviously. You want to run a Heavy, dont run solo then you wont get gunned down... Simply put.... Counter argument.. nah ** that im throwing pure facts Are you *** ******? They aren't suppost to tank? They aren't suppost to do any dmg? They aren't suppost to run solo? So what are they suppost to do? Jack off in the corner? Ofcourse a HMG should do more dmg then an assualt it's a heavy weapon it should do more dmg then a light weapon by definition. Right now it does not. Ironically it did not before the nerf either. well.... it is not supposed to do more damage than an assault rifle... it is supposed to get the rounds into someone a hell of a lot faster though supposed to just drain people. I haven't used the HMG yet and probably won't but oh well >_> you can't make everyone happy. i also noticed it is a LOT easier to sneak up on people now not sure why though :)
hartnixen Planetary Response Organization 1	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:15:00 - [12] - Quote Howling Witch wrote: Heavy machine gun is straight out **** after this build. Might as well just take the heavy machine gun out of the game out . give me my points back So I can put them in some other weapon that is more use full. this is ccp`s awnser to your question: Thank you for contacting the DUST 514 Customer Support Team. CCP will offer an optional reset whereby you can chose to reset any of your characters to basically zero Skillpoints, ISK and assets but your AURUM will be reimbursement. Please note that this doesn't mean that CCP will not delete the actual characters or rename them. You can find more information in the link provided below.
hartnixen Planetary Response Organization 1	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:16:00 - [13] - Quote iLLMaTiC619 wrote: Howling Witch wrote: Heavy machine gun is straight out **** after this build. Might as well just take the heavy machine gun out of the game out . give me my points back So I can put them in some other weapon that is more use full. agreed I maxed out my profiency and have 2 complex modz and it is still useless..spent 8.7 million on a broken class :/ Same here m8, totaly killed the class. Askt CCP to reset my toon so i can pick another class since thay totaly neft it. here are thar awnser: Thank you for contacting the DUST 514 Customer Support Team. CCP will offer an optional reset whereby you can chose to reset any of your characters to basically zero Skillpoints, ISK and assets but your AURUM will be reimbursement. Please note that this doesn't mean that CCP will not delete the actual characters or rename them. You can find more information in the link provided below.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:21:00 - [14] - Quote 'Every weapon is perfect' - did you remember to test lasers? They suck so badly now that it isn't even worth complaining about, they have clearly been rejected.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens Orion Empire 1256	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:22:00 - [15] - Quote [quote=ARF 1049] well.... it is not supposed to do more damage than an assault rifle... [quote] Dude, I want whatever drugs you're on, seriously. 2000 RPM isn't supposed to do more damage than 750RPM -IN WHAT ****ING WORLD-? It's because of you the HMG got nerfed when it didn't need to.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:24:00 - [16] - Quote Mass Driver perfect? Lol they got nerfed almost as hard as HMG. And with that nerfed Mass Driver and a Flux nade I solo'd a Heavy in close range. I agree the HMG needs to be fixed pronto.
Aquinarius Zoltanus The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:50:00 - [17] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Mass Driver perfect? Lol they got nerfed almost as hard as HMG. And with that nerfed Mass Driver and a Flux nade I solo'd a Heavy in close range. I agree the HMG needs to be fixed pronto. I second this sentiment. Even as an upset Mass Driver user, I don't think we were hit nearly as hard as the Heavy/HMG combo. No joke, I have seen a heavy advancing at me across an open field, holding down his HMG. I backpedaled and kept shooting him and he could hardly damage me. The average range between us was probably 30 meters.
bcs1a ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 17	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:13:00 - [18] - Quote Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Mass Driver perfect? Lol they got nerfed almost as hard as HMG. And with that nerfed Mass Driver and a Flux nade I solo'd a Heavy in close range. I agree the HMG needs to be fixed pronto. I second this sentiment. Even as an upset Mass Driver user, I don't think we were hit nearly as hard as the Heavy/HMG combo. No joke, I have seen a heavy advancing at me across an open field, holding down his HMG. I backpedaled and kept shooting him and he could hardly damage me. The average range between us was probably 30 meters. I'll 3rd it... I spent most of my SP in the hmg in order to make it at least a viable weapon and with everything except fitting and reload to 5 it still SUCKS. and ARs?, how exactly is it balanced when they and almost every other weapon in the game can mow down a heavy with almost 1k HP from a point that the hmg can't even hit them to try to save themselves? here's what CCP told me: Unfortunately we are not able to reverse SP once it is used. Please accept our apologies for this unfortunate incident, and we hope that this does not diminish your enjoyment of the game in any way. and another GM chimed in on the ticket as well with a second reply: (pasting only the relevant part) As we are not offering any further re-spec, any skill point spent is a unfortunately permanently attributed to the chosen skill however progress in DUST 514 is never wasted and you can still skill up the required attributes by accumulating more SP during Battles. and my reply was simply : I appreciate the reply and I understand. GM ******** wrote "progress in DUST 514 is never wasted" however, with the change to the HMG those skill points are wasted as that weapon is now useless for all practical purposes. Ya'll have a great day and thanks again for your time. to which i received a link to the feedback forum.... Unfortunately the petition system isn't the appropriate place to share feedback and idea and I can only recommend you to share any idea/feedback/bugs regarding any in-game feature, including the changes made to weapons, on the DUST 514 Forums in the appropriate section ( https://forums.dust514.com/ ). We always welcome player feedback and our DEV Team has been consistently reviewing the Forums in order to continuously improve the game. Again I can certainly understand this can be frustrating and I apologise again for the inconvenience. so unless someone decides to fix HMGs we are all pretty well screwed... o/ Bill
bcs1a ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 17	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:20:00 - [19] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Because Heavy Machine guns can kill better then any weapon in the game, while its being held by the strongest dropsuits in the game... So why nerf the HMG... NO clue Bull Shite.... heavies required the most skillpoints, had the most penalties and draw backs and were primary targets 99% of the time... IDK what fantasy land you're living in, but I ran heavy knowing that it was the hardest role to fill and now still run heavies because I have no choice after hoping that skills would make up for the nerf in some small way and my weapon has been turned into something less powerful than a pop gun because of the whining and complaining of a bunch of folks who don't have a clue... The clue part may or may not apply to you, but the fact remains that your comment is still crap and not even close to reality when in game. o/ Bill
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 348	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:22:00 - [20] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: well.... it is not supposed to do more damage than an assault rifle Worse range than an assault rifle, worse accuracy than an assault rifle, worse against shields than an assault rifle, greater fitting requirements, and virtually identical physics, and you are telling me that it isn't supposed to out damage an assault rifle? Man, you need to get off the drop.



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