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Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:58:00 -
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It is getting rather hard to read anything constructive on the forums. People don't realize that, when it comes to CCP games, it is always a work in progress. EVE and New Eden didn't burst fully fledged and ready to go. It took many years to become the game it is. Constant development and tweaks came and made it a thriving game going on 10 years now. I suspect DUST will be the same way.
Rather than posting here about "nerfs" and "Assault514", we as a community should post constructive posts which can address whatever problems we are having with said mechanics. CCP made the balances they did in response to some real issues which I, as a regular player who logs every day, saw being abused. For example, Sharpshooter allowed Assault Rifles to function like snipers, HMGs to peg people at a ridiculous range, and allowed laser rifles to be able to sweep the field with critical damage in a very small time.
There are more, but simply posting one way or the other as if your one mechanic makes or breaks the game is simply short sided. Most of the time its someone spec'd as scissors when someone throws rock. If I see someone breaking out their shield tank, I am going to keep throwing flux's and going for the kill. Should my rock be nerfed simply because it is an effective counter to a suit, tactic, vehicle? I also see that when someone throws rock and fails consistently to an effective counter, they almost expect their build to be the rock, paper, and scissors and if it is not, they will spam the forums incessantly with negative criticism that offers no real change which could possibly add the balance.
I, like many others of the more mature and observant crowd, will keep up on the skills, the stats, and builds, and learn the counters to whatever is going to be fielded. Play with your squad, learn your roles, and be prepared. CCP won't and shouldn't make it easy for every single individual to be 'god'.
HTFU |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:59:00 -
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of course we are entitled fix the game or we won't buy your aurum
not that i personally buy it anyway |
RazielJones
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:01:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:of course we are entitled fix the game or we won't buy your aurum
not that i personally buy it anyway
Yes demand an a fix for a free game that you claim to support in no meaningful way. Spoilt much |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:07:00 -
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I just get tired of hearing the bitching, the complaining in the forums from people who lose their vehicles, suits, etc. It won't be the same as the BETA, and it is certainly not done. Lets list our things rationally and we will get a better response from CCP. Everyone wants a quality game, this is true. Have patience. |
RazielJones
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:09:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:I just get tired of hearing the bitching, the complaining in the forums from people who lose their vehicles, suits, etc. It won't be the same as the BETA, and it is certainly not done. Lets list our things rationally and we will get a better response from CCP. Everyone wants a quality game, this is true. Have patience.
So true, tweaks and small changes over time lead to a stable build, and with a bit of luck the game will evolve into some special, something that redefines the FPS genre |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:15:00 -
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What you've walked into is the standard operating procedure with updates in this game.
The game changes and those who are upset (and evidently can't type properly) whine, cry, and threaten to leave the game.
CCP responds with hot fixes to issues that seem to be bitched about the most.
The trolls continue to troll, some people are satisfied about the changes, most aren't and say "cya next build scrubs."
Next build comes, repeat. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:30:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:What you've walked into is the standard operating procedure with updates in this game.
The game changes and those who are upset (and evidently can't type properly) whine, cry, and threaten to leave the game.
CCP responds with hot fixes to issues that seem to be bitched about the most.
The trolls continue to troll, some people are satisfied about the changes, most aren't and say "cya next build scrubs."
Next build comes, repeat.
Its pretty damn pathetic that people do this. Its head-shaking. George Carlin had a beautiful quote for people like that... |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:31:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:of course we are entitled fix the game or we won't buy your aurum
not that i personally buy it anyway Nice feedback bro thx they will fix that now! |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:35:00 -
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Threatening not to buy Aurum when he doesn't buy it already? Fail. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:37:00 -
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FINALLY!!!! Someone who gets it. Good post OP +1 |
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NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:39:00 -
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RazielJones wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:I just get tired of hearing the bitching, the complaining in the forums from people who lose their vehicles, suits, etc. It won't be the same as the BETA, and it is certainly not done. Lets list our things rationally and we will get a better response from CCP. Everyone wants a quality game, this is true. Have patience. So true, tweaks and small changes over time lead to a stable build, and with a bit of luck the game will evolve into some special, something that redefines the FPS genre
Do you know what CCP currently doesn't have? Time, commercial release is in 8 days.
"But, this game will always be a work in progress, they'll always be adding new features and content", yeah, well... first impressions are a *****. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:41:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:There are more, but simply posting one way or the other as if your one mechanic makes or breaks the game is simply short sided. Most of the time its someone spec'd as scissors when someone throws rock. If I see someone breaking out their shield tank, I am going to keep throwing flux's and going for the kill. Should my rock be nerfed simply because it is an effective counter to a suit, tactic, vehicle? I also see that when someone throws rock and fails consistently to an effective counter, they almost expect their build to be the rock, paper, and scissors and if it is not, they will spam the forums incessantly with negative criticism that offers no real change which could possibly add the balance.
HTFU
Yep, a lot of the folks creating ridiculous threads somehow believe that their opinion is the issue that will make or break the game.
Then they threaten to leave and not spend any money unless they get there way.
Sigh, spoiled children who couldn't post constructive criticism if their lives depended on it. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
1105
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:41:00 -
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As I agree, you must avoid from posting on the QQ threads that have no content or substance at all. Pretty sure GM Unicorn announced that.... |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:44:00 -
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You had me at
Mary Sedillo wrote:It is getting rather hard to read anything constructive on the forums.
+1 |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:46:00 -
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Indeed, but it is so hard to sit quietly and not slap down folks who post on the forums as if they have never played the game.
As for the first impressions of the game, I enjoyed it. The depth is there, the meta will be there, and it has helped me keep playing even through some of the glitches within the game. It will continue to be shined as CCP refines this game, and I will be here to observe the growth and give my feedback. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
369
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:55:00 -
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Dat logic! I'm pretty ashamed of how immature the forums are lately. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:04:00 -
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One sentiment I take issue with is the attitude of take it easy guys Eve wasn't great at first CCP takes its time fixing things, etc.. Except here's the thing, what is the competition like in the spaceship MMO market? Very small. What is the competition like in the FPS market? What's that over a dozen FPS games released annually.
If the multitudes of your "testers" and fans and many of us customers say you have seriously screwed up alot of the game, you should take notice.
There are some positives in graphics, sound, the menus, the pretty artwork during load screens. CCP nailed the superficial stuff right but thus far has made gameplay worse in my and lots of others peoples opinions. I'm going to keep playing, I'm going to keep trying the MD now and being a logi and I hope this time next week I'm saying I was wrong. But I think initial reaction is important too. |
Isaa Quade
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
108
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:23:00 -
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So if nobody bitches, how does CCP know what to fix? This is the entire point of the beta: feedback |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:30:00 -
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Completely disagree, the fact that there hasn't been a single post by DEVs about these issues(especially core issues such as Nanohive glitch, Nanite detection, EQ choice confirmation, etc) gives us every right to voice complaints. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
1106
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:33:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Completely disagree, the fact that there hasn't been a single post by DEVs about these issues(especially core issues such as Nanohive glitch, Nanite detection, EQ choice confirmation, etc) gives us every right to voice complaints. Not a single thread? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72735&find=unread
Thank you very much. |
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Absoliav
Suffer Inc.
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Posted - 2013.05.07 05:08:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:One sentiment I take issue with is the attitude of take it easy guys Eve wasn't great at first CCP takes its time fixing things, etc.. Except here's the thing, what is the competition like in the spaceship MMO market? Very small. What is the competition like in the FPS market? What's that over a dozen FPS games released annually.
If the multitudes of your "testers" and fans and many of us customers say you have seriously screwed up alot of the game, you should take notice.
There are some positives in graphics, sound, the menus, the pretty artwork during load screens. CCP nailed the superficial stuff right but thus far has made gameplay worse in my and lots of others peoples opinions. I'm going to keep playing, I'm going to keep trying the MD now and being a logi and I hope this time next week I'm saying I was wrong. But I think initial reaction is important too.
I ask you, how many of those FPSs are given to you for free, how many of them are made with big Dev teams and a crap ton of Publisher money? The competition is also small, yes there are a lot of FPSs, but few of them like Dust, the game is free, and it's being built in a MMO format, I have never played a F2P game that ever started out good, all we as console gamers need is patience. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
201
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Posted - 2013.05.07 05:40:00 -
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The forums are a vocal minority in the game. I would bet 75%+ of players have never been here. Tweaks in damage and range can be constantly worked on. CCP is working on tomorrow's hot fix and in a week lots of issues will probably be fixed. The build is only been live for about 12 hours. If you are going to quit something based on the first 12 hours then maybe you shouldn't have tried it. Give them time to do their job and please do your job. Your job is to test and give feedback, not rage and give diatribes about people who haven't even had time to do the work that you yourself demand. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
41
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:39:00 -
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There is a difference between bitching and providing positive feedback. Positive criticism will receive a better response near every time. |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
220
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:42:00 -
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OP = Much more mature than half this forum....
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