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Garrus Vik'arian
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:37:00 -
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The Assault Rifle:
Conceived by Duvolle Laboratories, a corporation best known for its ceaseless R&D, the G75-VLB solves many of the problems inherent in mass-manufactured plasma weapons. The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class.
It is a magazine-fed, short-to-mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point.
The part they forgot to tell you:
The POS can now only fire 50 metres. Seriously... I had a super soaker (that's a water gun for the benefit of those who have not heard of it) before that could spray about 25 metres.
A typical present day assault rifle has an effective range of about 500m. Even then if I miss my target who's standing 400m away, someone 1km away could potentially die.
To CCP: Could you at least buff the effective range of all the firearms in Dust? |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:40:00 -
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I cannot believe sharpshooter doesnt increase ar range anymore. What a shame. I get they are making the scrambler rifle the mid range weapon but goddamn ars are almost useless now. |
Hauker Due
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:43:00 -
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I called this |
Funkmaster Whale
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:44:00 -
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The AR isn't "useless' by any means. While the range on it has been reduced, everyone has suffered a similar reduction due to the SS skill being removed. I do agree that the range on it is pretty pathetic. I'm pretty sure a slingshot could shoot farther than some of these guns. I don't think the AR alone needs a range buff, but all guns in general. The maximum range of all guns needs to be increased, or at least add some sort bullet physics to it if need be. I don't understand why bullets simply disappear after about 50-60 meters. This is the damn future, why is it that we can't manage to shoot a projectile, be it plasma or what have you, further than a slingshot could? |
Garrus Vik'arian
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:45:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:I cannot believe sharpshooter doesnt increase ar range anymore. What a shame. I get they are making the scrambler rifle the mid range weapon but goddamn ars are almost useless now.
Do you know how hard I laughed when I shot my AR at a red dot who was IMO quite close, and missed all my shots? |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:47:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:I cannot believe sharpshooter doesnt increase ar range anymore. What a shame. I get they are making the scrambler rifle the mid range weapon but goddamn ars are almost useless now. According to what I've been reading on the forums, EVERY WEAPON is useless.
Actually, haven't heard of the laser rifle yet. Nobody has bothered to use that just yet.
Maybe I should skill into hand to hand combat and single handedly take you all down using just Melee combat. |
Garrus Vik'arian
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:47:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:The AR isn't "useless' by any means. While the range on it has been reduced, everyone has suffered a similar reduction due to the SS skill being removed. I do agree that the range on it is pretty pathetic. I'm pretty sure a slingshot could shoot farther than some of these guns. I don't think the AR alone needs a range buff, but all guns in general. The maximum range of all guns needs to be increased, or at least add some sort bullet physics to it if need be. I don't understand why bullets simply disappear after about 50-60 meters. This is the damn future, why is it that we can't manage to shoot a projectile, be it plasma or what have you, further than a slingshot could?
That's what I said. I'm fine with removing the old sharpshooter skills. But at least buff all the weapon range.
At this moment, I'm still working on believing how this game turned out. |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:47:00 -
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Did you not see all this talked about like 2 months ago? The game was broken with every AR user having the ability to mow people down at >60m range. That was like 200+ dps in a second. It was a huge nerf to heavies and lights since it meant that the heavy's speed was a death trap and the light frames low HP was its own ruin. It required that all teams have mostly AR/assaults users on their team. It lead to boring twitch combat which is not what CCP wants.
Just get out of your tiny little heads that we should all be fighting like we have been for the last few months. This game has fundamentally changed. |
Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:49:00 -
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The ranges in this game are just ******* ********. I don't understand how it's suppose to be more fun to only be able to shoot at the same range you can throw. The HMG now has a range of 15m. 15m litterally is the range you can throw a rock! In rl these things shoot over 2000m. It makes no sense. And it adds nothing to the game play at all to be able to not shoot anywhere. It's a ******* battle field ppl are suppost to die. die from aiming at them and die from stray bullets. |
Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:49:00 -
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Wa wa wa the ar doesnt shoot 500 meters. Seriously? Spool up a hmg in this game that in real life uses the same size or larger bullets then assault rifles and watch it do less than half the damage per bullet of an ar. And yall are complaining about a range nerf too? See the aforementioned hmg. |
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martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:50:00 -
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Let's play supersoaker514 in my backyard. |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:53:00 -
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Finally my game is updated! Woohoo!
Now I'll be able to post some real information.... brb.... |
Nylithe Empyreal
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:55:00 -
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I kinda wish they did an infinite range thing and simply tweaked recoil spread and what have you.
In the far future you can only hit people at point blank; Gallente Rejoice. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:55:00 -
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This is a game not real life. No one would play if everything behaved realistically, i would just go outside and do something. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:58:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:The AR isn't "useless' by any means. While the range on it has been reduced, everyone has suffered a similar reduction due to the SS skill being removed. I do agree that the range on it is pretty pathetic. I'm pretty sure a slingshot could shoot farther than some of these guns. I don't think the AR alone needs a range buff, but all guns in general. The maximum range of all guns needs to be increased, or at least add some sort bullet physics to it if need be. I don't understand why bullets simply disappear after about 50-60 meters. This is the damn future, why is it that we can't manage to shoot a projectile, be it plasma or what have you, further than a slingshot could?
Shot guns do not need a range buff.
And the AR nerf is the most ridicules (HMG nerf comes in at a very close second place). As original post mentioned rifles have the effective range of 500 meters...this means if your sights are set right the bullet will go where you aimed the rifle....the bullet does not disappear the bullet does not drop off the bullet does not do less damage at this range then at 20 meters.
It is hysterically moronic that for some magical reason Dust weapon makers can't make a rifle that does not equal or even surpass weapons made 50 or 60 years ago (M-16 was first made in the 50s) in the real world.
"we can make a warp drive but making a rifle with the same range as one used in ww 1 is derpy derp derp impossible." |
Garrus Vik'arian
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:00:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Did you not see all this talked about like 2 months ago? The game was broken with every AR user having the ability to mow people down at >60m range. That was like 200+ dps in a second. It was a huge nerf to heavies and lights since it meant that the heavy's speed was a death trap and the light frames low HP was its own ruin. It required that all teams have mostly AR/assaults users on their team. It lead to boring twitch combat which is not what CCP wants.
Just get out of your tiny little heads that we should all be fighting like we have been for the last few months. This game has fundamentally changed.
Then the game 'fundamentally changed' to a complete joke. The maps in Dust are friggin' huge! If CCP had the slightest concern about realism, they should improve the range of all firearms. I just came out of a game where I tested with a buddy the range of the HMG. I laughed damn hard at the result. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
15
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:00:00 -
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Tiberion Deci wrote:Wa wa wa the ar doesnt shoot 500 meters. Seriously? Spool up a hmg in this game that in real life uses the same size or larger bullets then assault rifles and watch it do less than half the damage per bullet of an ar. And yall are complaining about a range nerf too? See the aforementioned hmg.
Yes the HMG nerfs are idiotic as well...hell before the nerfs the HMG was idiotic...these things should have much longer ranges and cause way more damage from the start. |
Garrus Vik'arian
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:03:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:This is a game not real life. No one would play if everything behaved realistically, i would just go outside and do something.
Aww come on, give me a break...
I'm not asking for my toon to fall while running, or sneeze whele shooting, or bleed when being shot, or go prone instead of just crouching. All I'm asking for is a range buff. |
Nylithe Empyreal
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:04:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:This is a game not real life. No one would play if everything behaved realistically, i would just go outside and do something.
I'd play. |
Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:05:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Did you not see all this talked about like 2 months ago? The game was broken with every AR user having the ability to mow people down at >60m range. That was like 200+ dps in a second. It was a huge nerf to heavies and lights since it meant that the heavy's speed was a death trap and the light frames low HP was its own ruin. It required that all teams have mostly AR/assaults users on their team. It lead to boring twitch combat which is not what CCP wants.
Just get out of your tiny little heads that we should all be fighting like we have been for the last few months. This game has fundamentally changed.
I don't know who you are... but I will find you and buy you a beer.
\o/ cheers! |
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Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:07:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Tiberion Deci wrote:Wa wa wa the ar doesnt shoot 500 meters. Seriously? Spool up a hmg in this game that in real life uses the same size or larger bullets then assault rifles and watch it do less than half the damage per bullet of an ar. And yall are complaining about a range nerf too? See the aforementioned hmg. Yes the HMG nerfs are idiotic as well...hell before the nerfs the HMG was idiotic...these things should have much longer ranges and cause way more damage from the start.
Beer for you too! |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
15
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:07:00 -
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Nylithe Empyreal wrote:I kinda wish they did an infinite range thing and simply tweaked recoil spread and what have you.
In the far future you can only hit people at point blank; Gallente Rejoice.
The point blank range of an M-16 is 550 meters.
"In external ballistics, point-blank range is the distance between a firearm and a target of a given size such that the bullet in flight is expected to strike the target without adjusting the elevation of the firearm."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-blank_range
So no we can't hit people at point blank range. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:08:00 -
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why would you make a gun not be able to shoot who the player sees, please ccp take a page from any other shooter. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:09:00 -
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The AR rounds are not solid slugs, but rather magnetic coated plasma bundles. Thus it does make sense that they could dissipate at a particular range whereas slug throwers would not.
I'm not judging the range, just defending the ability to evaporate given the technological explanation. |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:16:00 -
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No ******* way did you have a supersoaker that shot 25 meters. Longest supersoaker shot I ever saw was easily under 15 meters.I call bs unless you had the cannon version that had its own tripod cause it was so heavy. If thats the case then im jealous
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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
866
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:38:00 -
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Skihids wrote:The AR rounds are not solid slugs, but rather magnetic coated plasma bundles. Thus it does make sense that they could dissipate at a particular range whereas slug throwers would not.
I'm not judging the range, just defending the ability to evaporate given the technological explanation.
^This.
What we currently call an "Assault Rifle" is actually a Gallente Blaster Rifle. The four racial variants are the Amarr Scrambler Rifle, Caldari Gauss Rifle, Gallente Blaster Rifle, Minmatar Combat Rifle (the only projectile assault rifle).
Blasters fire extremely hot balls of plasma that literally evaporate within a split second. At anything beyond close range, you get hit by the force of a hair dryer set to "hot".
While the exact range (50m, 75m, whatever) is debatable, the weapon is working as described in the lore.
If you notice, all of the Gallente weapons we have are very short range, but nasty. Look at the shotguns- those are plasma weapons as well. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
866
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:47:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:No ******* way did you have a supersoaker that shot 25 meters. Longest supersoaker shot I ever saw was easily under 15 meters.I call bs unless you had the cannon version that had its own tripod cause it was so heavy. If thats the case then im jealous
Have you seen those BlasterPro guns?
http://www.blasterpro.com
They shoot watery gel balls, like water paintballs.
I ordered one, but it hasn't come yet. |
Garrus Vik'arian
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:51:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Skihids wrote:The AR rounds are not solid slugs, but rather magnetic coated plasma bundles. Thus it does make sense that they could dissipate at a particular range whereas slug throwers would not.
I'm not judging the range, just defending the ability to evaporate given the technological explanation. ^This. What we currently call an "Assault Rifle" is actually a Gallente Blaster Rifle. The four racial variants are the Amarr Scrambler Rifle, Caldari Gauss Rifle, Gallente Blaster Rifle, Minmatar Combat Rifle (the only projectile assault rifle). Blasters fire extremely hot balls of plasma that literally evaporate within a split second. At anything beyond close range, you get hit by the force of a hair dryer set to "hot". While the exact range (50m, 75m, whatever) is debatable, the weapon is working as described in the lore. If you notice, all of the Gallente weapons we have are very short range, but nasty. Look at the shotguns- those are plasma weapons as well.
Say we bring this plasma technology to the present day. Do you think our infantry would swap their standard ARs for a weapon that only fires up to 50m. And this is the future we're talking about. That kind of range for an assault rifle is just 'fail'. |
sammus420
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:54:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:why would you make a gun not be able to shoot who the player sees, please ccp take a page from any other shooter.
My thoughts exactly. All guns need a LARGE boost in range, if you can see someone, you should be able to shoot them and vice versa. The only problem with Sharpshooter in the old build was that people who didn't have it complained due to being at a disadvantage. Well, just give the bonus from it to everyone, problem solved. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:55:00 -
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hey! that's more than 3 times the effective distance of my HMG
howw bout we ALL get out range back (lazer gets half, that thing was obscene)
don't get why everything needed a range nerf, as a heavy, i was FINE with AR ranges as they were.
CCP seems to be trying to ****-off EVERYONE with this build |
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Garrus Vik'arian
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:56:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:EnIgMa99 wrote:why would you make a gun not be able to shoot who the player sees, please ccp take a page from any other shooter. My thoughts exactly. All guns need a LARGE boost in range, if you can see someone, you should be able to shoot them and vice versa. The only problem with Sharpshooter in the old build was that people who didn't have it complained due to being at a disadvantage. Well, just give the bonus from it to everyone, problem solved.
My point exactly. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:56:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Did you not see all this talked about like 2 months ago? The game was broken with every AR user having the ability to mow people down at >60m range. That was like 200+ dps in a second. It was a huge nerf to heavies and lights since it meant that the heavy's speed was a death trap and the light frames low HP was its own ruin. It required that all teams have mostly AR/assaults users on their team. It lead to boring twitch combat which is not what CCP wants.
Just get out of your tiny little heads that we should all be fighting like we have been for the last few months. This game has fundamentally changed.
This is the truth. Also, the next year or so will likely involve additional changes like this that alter the game in a fundamental way. |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
206
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Posted - 2013.05.06 20:57:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:No ******* way did you have a supersoaker that shot 25 meters. Longest supersoaker shot I ever saw was easily under 15 meters.I call bs unless you had the cannon version that had its own tripod cause it was so heavy. If thats the case then im jealous
Have you seen those BlasterPro guns? http://www.blasterpro.comThey shoot watery gel balls, like water paintballs. I ordered one, but it hasn't come yet.
I would buy one in a heartbeat but everyone knows ccp will just nerf the hell out of it |
Yani Nabari
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
41
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:01:00 -
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Garrus Vik'arian wrote: The POS can now only fire 50 metres. Seriously...
And they also forgot to mention how big some maps are...
Ambush maps being in the area of 200 meters across sometimes? And cover being spaced about 40 meters apart at the furthest? |
Gaus Penfield
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:18:00 -
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Yani Nabari wrote:Garrus Vik'arian wrote: The POS can now only fire 50 metres. Seriously...
And they also forgot to mention how big some maps are... Ambush maps being in the area of 200 meters across sometimes? And cover being spaced about 40 meters apart at the furthest?
This right here. If you can't even shoot from cover to cover, or in some cases ACROSS THE ROAD, then the game design itself is fundamentally broken. if you have to practice a game so you can break your BASIC EXPECTATIONS of what your equipment should, and get use to what it can REALLY do. They have to reconsider what they are looking for the feel of this game is going to be.
I can't even imagine what it would be like for a new player that doesn't know anything about the game going into it would do. The learning curve has got to be extreme.
Am I just not hitting him? Am I out of range? ( because you know CCP what's to keep the range of a gun secret! God forbid we know RANGE! ) Is he so overpowered that I can't effect him? Are the controls just off?
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sammus420
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:19:00 -
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Garrus Vik'arian wrote:sammus420 wrote:EnIgMa99 wrote:why would you make a gun not be able to shoot who the player sees, please ccp take a page from any other shooter. My thoughts exactly. All guns need a LARGE boost in range, if you can see someone, you should be able to shoot them and vice versa. The only problem with Sharpshooter in the old build was that people who didn't have it complained due to being at a disadvantage. Well, just give the bonus from it to everyone, problem solved. My point exactly.
I think it's telling that we've had sharpshooter for over a year. CCP used to be well aware that the weapon ranges were absolutely unpalpable, and we were given a method to adjust that, because as you got better/more experienced, more range would be a must. Somewhere along the way they forgot what it's like to play their own game. |
Hehaw Jimbo
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:23:00 -
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This game feels like the damned Revolutionary War. Guns have **** range and there isn't enough cover in a lot of places, so everyone just stands in an open field 40 meters apart and shoot each other in the face. Fail, CCP. Fail. |
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