DUST Search - confirmed: HMG sucks

Polish Hammer wrote:

Flagratus wrote:

Taken from the description of all HMGs, in Dust "A Multi-Barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon". Anti-Infantry or, if you prefer, Anti-Personnel weapons are designed specifically to attack. There is no supportive role, though one could be used as such in emergencies. Anti-Infantry is not a supportive role, it is the lead role. Thus making the Heavy, the lead role.

First off, this. Being lead role isn't saying "hey, we're better than you." It means we lead in. We get the shots fired at us first. If you're in the school of thought that because you use this particular suit or that, means that you're the most important, then you're an idiot. /discussion

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As stated previously, today I was consistently out ranged by shotgunners, which is completely ridiculous. I can't believe how wholly ineffective the HMGs have become. I could be okay with the damage nerf, but the range and (what appears to be) scatter of the HMGs rounds is atrocious.

The nerf that has been done to the HMGs was completely unwarranted. They were damn near perfect in the last build, so what was the reasoning behind this?

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General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 556	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:02:00 - [1] - Quote it's not the damage nerf that killed it, it's the fact that it has the range of a bloody shotgun who else has played with it?
Talruum Tezztarozza Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 90	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:02:00 - [2] - Quote Any number to share ??
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 176	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:03:00 - [3] - Quote Not wasting SP kthx.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 163	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:05:00 - [4] - Quote I plan on going into the game and posting some ACTUAL information on it. With numbers and all.
Tiberion Deci Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 96	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:05:00 - [5] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: it's not the damage nerf that killed it, it's the fact that it has the range of a bloody shotgun Well ****. There goes what I was looking foward to.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 556	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:17:00 - [6] - Quote 15 meters is the farthest kill i have gotten.....the fiction written by CCP states the HMG taking out a dropship. how bout we compromise CCP 10% more range for the HMG?
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 167	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:29:00 - [7] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: 15 meters is the farthest kill i have gotten.....the fiction written by CCP states the HMG taking out a dropship. how bout we compromise CCP 10% more range for the HMG? Curious, can you at least hit people from 50m out?
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 8	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:39:00 - [8] - Quote HMG Heavy is dead. Long live Heavy w/ AR!
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 168	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:51:00 - [9] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: HMG Heavy is dead. Long live Heavy w/ AR! Haha... You should hear the AR users...
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 558	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:30:00 - [10] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: 15 meters is the farthest kill i have gotten.....the fiction written by CCP states the HMG taking out a dropship. how bout we compromise CCP 10% more range for the HMG? Curious, can you at least hit people from 50m out? lol, NO 20 meters seems to be the max, and at that range you're lucky to get an assist anyone else notice the OTHER stealth nerf to the HMG? runs out of ammo AND overheats far more quickly

General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 558	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:32:00 - [11] - Quote also have matches quit, you don't get paid AND you lose those suits.....so i have lost about 2 mill to crap game design
Severance Pay Planetary Response Organization 163	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:35:00 - [12] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: 15 meters is the farthest kill i have gotten.....the fiction written by CCP states the HMG taking out a dropship. how bout we compromise CCP 10% more range for the HMG? Done! 16.5m. Have fun!
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2405	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:38:00 - [13] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: 15 meters is the farthest kill i have gotten.....the fiction written by CCP states the HMG taking out a dropship. how bout we compromise CCP 10% more range for the HMG? Curious, can you at least hit people from 50m out? My Max kill range 49 one time. Every other match my Max is about 29 m
Matakage WildCard Ninja Clan 27	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:40:00 - [14] - Quote I think CHICAGOCUBS4EVER made a great point when he mentioned that no one ever complained about HMGs to begin with, yet they got nerfed anyway. I have never played as a heavy (always assault), and I personally never had a problem with them. I figured out their weakness: heavies really hate grenades, range, and angles they can't turn fast enough to see. As a non heavy user, I support you heavies. There was no reason to change anything. Other people have stated theories that perhaps the HMGs were nerfed simply to balance with the other nerfs, but this has yet to be determined. It still doesn't explain the poor range.
Heavy Breaks Ill Omens EoN. 28	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:40:00 - [15] - Quote You can't hit people the other side of the table top. Who needs numbers that is pathetic. Crouching is slower. Heavy HMG is now a support role. Unless you have 10 or 12 million sp to spunk into it. Heavy for life. But maybe with a forge.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 891	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:40:00 - [16] - Quote Confirmed: Heavies QQ even harder than assaults and our range.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 558	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:45:00 - [17] - Quote Heavy Breaks wrote: You can't hit people the other side of the table top. Who needs numbers that is pathetic. Crouching is slower. Heavy HMG is now a support role. Unless you have 10 or 12 million sp to spunk into it. Heavy for life. But maybe with a forge. yup, going FG, can still be semi-useful with one of those
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 400	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:50:00 - [18] - Quote Heavy Breaks wrote: You can't hit people the other side of the table top. Who needs numbers that is pathetic. Crouching is slower. Heavy HMG is now a support role. Unless you have 10 or 12 million sp to spunk into it. Heavy for life. But maybe with a forge. That's what a heavy + HMG is supposed to be... I know you don't want to hear that, but that is your role as an HMG user. Leave the slaying to the assaults, which is what our role is (although from what I read, AR range is garbage too).
Boomer Dues Mortis D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 75	Posted - 2013.05.06 20:52:00 - [19] - Quote Yup I did notice I am reloading a lot more/ running out of ammo, I have not overheated yet but it does seem like it overheats faster maybe because we are firing more bullets. Other stealth nerfs the gun just feels off now from my experience, it does not feel as sturdy as it did pre-patch. Also really sucks when there is zero cover in an area and you can't hit anyone at range, you just get blasted.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 565	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:02:00 - [20] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Heavy Breaks wrote: You can't hit people the other side of the table top. Who needs numbers that is pathetic. Crouching is slower. Heavy HMG is now a support role. Unless you have 10 or 12 million sp to spunk into it. Heavy for life. But maybe with a forge. That's what a heavy + HMG is supposed to be... I know you don't want to hear that, but that is your role as an HMG user. Leave the slaying to the assaults, which is what our role is (although from what I read, AR range is garbage too). uh...no, read the assault suit and rifles description again, you're the jack of all trades guy able to do anything on the fly. the heavy is supposed to be the meat grinder that chews threw anyone in their path. but we can't charge objectives effectivly, hack effectivly, adatp to a changing battle quickly we kill, assault can do pretty much anything

Tiberion Deci Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 101	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:08:00 - [21] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Heavy Breaks wrote: You can't hit people the other side of the table top. Who needs numbers that is pathetic. Crouching is slower. Heavy HMG is now a support role. Unless you have 10 or 12 million sp to spunk into it. Heavy for life. But maybe with a forge. That's what a heavy + HMG is supposed to be... I know you don't want to hear that, but that is your role as an HMG user. Leave the slaying to the assaults, which is what our role is (although from what I read, AR range is garbage too). In what universe does a single mechanically-operated assault rifle contain more destructive power than an electronicaly-driven gatling gun shooting bigger bullets?
Flagratus ZionTCD Unclaimed. 70	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:16:00 - [22] - Quote Taken from the description of all HMGs, in Dust "A Multi-Barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon". Anti-Infantry or, if you prefer, Anti-Personnel weapons are designed specifically to attack. There is no supportive role, though one could be used as such in emergencies. Anti-Infantry is not a supportive role, it is the lead role. Thus making the Heavy, the lead role.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 342	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:28:00 - [23] - Quote Flagratus wrote: Taken from the description of all HMGs, in Dust "A Multi-Barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon". Anti-Infantry or, if you prefer, Anti-Personnel weapons are designed specifically to attack. There is no supportive role, though one could be used as such in emergencies. Anti-Infantry is not a supportive role, it is the lead role. Thus making the Heavy, the lead role. First off, this. Being lead role isn't saying "hey, we're better than you." It means we lead in. We get the shots fired at us first. If you're in the school of thought that because you this particular suit or that, mean i'm the most important, then you're an idiot. SECOND As stated previously, today I was consistently out ranged by shotgunners, which is completely ridiculous. I can't believe how wholly ineffective the HMGs have become. I could be okay with the damage nerf, but the range and (what appears to be) scatter of the HMGs rounds is atrocious. The nerf that has been done to the HMGs was completely unwarranted. They were damn near perfect in the last build, so what was the reasoning behind this?
xSynnx x Requiem of Shadows DEADSPACE SOCIETY 0	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:31:00 - [24] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: also have matches quit, you don't get paid AND you lose those suits.....so i have lost about 2 mill to crap game design you need to check again. i was on an awesome losing streak and when this happened and i looked at my suits thinking i was gonna have to spend a fortune to buy more, it turned out its like i never even played in the match. i didnt lose any loadouts. so either your getting a weird bug, or your not paying attention to your suits. -XS
Phoenix Arakyd Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 20	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:41:00 - [25] - Quote this is what happens when you balance on the backs of whiney carebears and elitest ARprotobros
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 566	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:46:00 - [26] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Flagratus wrote: Taken from the description of all HMGs, in Dust "A Multi-Barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon". Anti-Infantry or, if you prefer, Anti-Personnel weapons are designed specifically to attack. There is no supportive role, though one could be used as such in emergencies. Anti-Infantry is not a supportive role, it is the lead role. Thus making the Heavy, the lead role. First off, this. Being lead role isn't saying "hey, we're better than you." It means we lead in. We get the shots fired at us first. If you're in the school of thought that because you use this particular suit or that, means that you're the most important, then you're an idiot. /discussion SECOND As stated previously, today I was consistently out ranged by shotgunners, which is completely ridiculous. I can't believe how wholly ineffective the HMGs have become. I could be okay with the damage nerf, but the range and (what appears to be) scatter of the HMGs rounds is atrocious. The nerf that has been done to the HMGs was completely unwarranted. They were damn near perfect in the last build, so what was the reasoning behind this? that they were, had just the right range and damage to be a serious threat to a single player, but a group could still easily fell a heavy. now? i just try to get as many assists as possible
Flagratus ZionTCD Unclaimed. 70	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:46:00 - [27] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Flagratus wrote: Taken from the description of all HMGs, in Dust "A Multi-Barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon". Anti-Infantry or, if you prefer, Anti-Personnel weapons are designed specifically to attack. There is no supportive role, though one could be used as such in emergencies. Anti-Infantry is not a supportive role, it is the lead role. Thus making the Heavy, the lead role. First off, this. Being lead role isn't saying "hey, we're better than you." It means we lead in. We get the shots fired at us first. If you're in the school of thought that because you use this particular suit or that, means that you're the most important, then you're an idiot. /discussion SECOND As stated previously, today I was consistently out ranged by shotgunners, which is completely ridiculous. I can't believe how wholly ineffective the HMGs have become. I could be okay with the damage nerf, but the range and (what appears to be) scatter of the HMGs rounds is atrocious. The nerf that has been done to the HMGs was completely unwarranted. They were damn near perfect in the last build, so what was the reasoning behind this? I think you misunderstood my posting, Polish. All I said was that we are the lead role. We are the ones to step in first and take the beating and make sure our weapon can level those before us in a hail of bullets. Such as you stated. Never did I say I thought one class was superior or more important than another. Did I? If I was to give that title to anyone I would give it to the Logistics. I will agree with you though on the damage reduction, I can live with that, it can be remedied by utilizing Complex Damage Modifiers and Passive Skills. The range, such as you stated, is unwarranted and ridiculous. If we can't defend ourselves with a weapon meant to tear asunder anything that stands in our path, while we are being easily dropped by said shotgunner 30 meters out, then we might as well just walk around with a slingshot and a pouch of rocks.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 342	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:49:00 - [28] - Quote Flagratus wrote: I think you misunderstood my posting, Polish. All I said was that we are the lead role. We are the ones to step in first and take the beating and make sure our weapon can level those before us in a hail of bullets. Such as you stated. Never did I say I thought one class was superior or more important than another. Did I? If I was to give that title to anyone I would give it to the Logistics. Oh no I understood what you were saying, I guess I was making a "just in case someone was thinking this" addition to it.
Flagratus ZionTCD Unclaimed. 71	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:53:00 - [29] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Flagratus wrote: I think you misunderstood my posting, Polish. All I said was that we are the lead role. We are the ones to step in first and take the beating and make sure our weapon can level those before us in a hail of bullets. Such as you stated. Never did I say I thought one class was superior or more important than another. Did I? If I was to give that title to anyone I would give it to the Logistics. Oh no I understood what you were saying, I guess I was making a "just in case someone was thinking this" addition to it. Ah, gotcha, then my mistake, and I apologize. Still good to hear from you again.
hartnixen Planetary Response Organization 0	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:57:00 - [30] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: it's not the damage nerf that killed it, it's the fact that it has the range of a bloody shotgun who else has played with it? HMG is ruined, and not getting paid as a mercenary is irksome Yeah totaly nerft, i dont even bader plaing enymore on my full proto heavy. if in the future i come back to play i make a assult coz thay are overpimped atm

NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 163	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:57:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Confirmed: Heavies QQ even harder than assaults and our range. Says it while he QQs about logis, HTFU bro.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 343	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:00:00 - [32] - Quote Flagratus wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: Flagratus wrote: I think you misunderstood my posting, Polish. All I said was that we are the lead role. We are the ones to step in first and take the beating and make sure our weapon can level those before us in a hail of bullets. Such as you stated. Never did I say I thought one class was superior or more important than another. Did I? If I was to give that title to anyone I would give it to the Logistics. Oh no I understood what you were saying, I guess I was making a "just in case someone was thinking this" addition to it. Ah, gotcha, then my mistake, and I apologize. Still good to hear from you again. No worries at all good sir, glad to see you're still fighting the good fight as a heavy
hartnixen Planetary Response Organization 1	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:01:00 - [33] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: 15 meters is the farthest kill i have gotten.....the fiction written by CCP states the HMG taking out a dropship. how bout we compromise CCP 10% more range for the HMG? Curious, can you at least hit people from 50m out? Cant hit enything that isnt in your face, by then your dead 100 meters ago. Stupid, HMG ruind
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 568	Posted - 2013.05.07 00:52:00 - [34] - Quote currently finding i do FAR better with the FG sadly due to it still having good range and damage, heavy suit is excellent, FG is good, but i am personally abandoning the HMG untill it gets SOMETHING done to make it a usefull weapon again
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 9	Posted - 2013.05.07 02:02:00 - [35] - Quote Tiberion Deci wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Heavy Breaks wrote: You can't hit people the other side of the table top. Who needs numbers that is pathetic. Crouching is slower. Heavy HMG is now a support role. Unless you have 10 or 12 million sp to spunk into it. Heavy for life. But maybe with a forge. That's what a heavy + HMG is supposed to be... I know you don't want to hear that, but that is your role as an HMG user. Leave the slaying to the assaults, which is what our role is (although from what I read, AR range is garbage too). In what universe does a single mechanically-operated assault rifle contain more destructive power than an electronicaly-driven gatling gun shooting bigger bullets? Apparently in the EVE universe!


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