More tank butthurt. HAV a heart man!

Not asking for tanks to be nerfed (although they could use a speed nerf TBH), I am asking that the players have a choice to play in ambush without tanks. What's wrong with that?

HA! of course, this guy has never used a HAV before. I doubt he hasn't been inside one for more than a minute, or talked to the pilots who use them. NO.


Peace, Godin

You do realize that the DJINN are some of the more notorious tankers, right? Not sure which are the pilots myself, but I'm sure he has decent experience on both sides of the issue.

lol, I wanted to get in a few last minuets with this build before servers went down, and this what I saw coming into my very first ambush of the night.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/Leukotic/tank_lolz1_zps3f560773.png

Yup, 5 tankers, and in the bowl map to boot (although the one being brought in with the bolas blew up, because the drunkard pilot crashed while deploying it )

Not asking for tanks to be nerfed (although they could use a speed nerf TBH), I am asking that the players have a choice to play in ambush without tanks. What's wrong with that?

lol, I wanted to get in a few last minuets with this build before servers went down, and this what I saw coming into my very first ambush of the night.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/Leukotic/tank_lolz1_zps3f560773.png

Yup, 5 tankers, and in the bowl map to boot (although the one being brought in with the bolas blew up, because the drunkard pilot crashed while deploying it )

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/Leukotic/lolz_bolas1_zps44472860.png

CCP has made it so easy to pop tanks that you don't even have to spec into a light weapon anymore to do it. Just carry some OP proto AV 'nades, chuck em' at anything with wheels or treads and go about your overrated infantry battles.

Because it's taking away from the sandbox experience that this game offers. If you want to learn how to pop vehicles, you're going to have to fight them, not avoid them. If you get your way and there's infantry only modes, how many people do you think are going to ignore AV again? Then when they do run into a vehicle, they'll deem it as OP because they got to ignore its effective counter, AV.

kee-ripes. It's like every corp match distilled into a screenshot. So... beautiful.

Persoanlly, I just think vehicles should be removed from Ambush because there is no reliable manner if class change beyond suicide in most Ambush matches, so if a tank is called in you have to suffer a death, a random spawn, and then finding and dealing with the vehicle while wearing a 'free 50 WP' sign.

Quoted to put contradiction on display.

This game needs more vehicles so that other players can see this isn't just another run and gun twitch shooter.

Well if nobody wants to go up against tanks, then what does that say about their balance? If tanks were balanced and easily manageable with AV, then it wouldn't be an issue playing against them, right?

Its not as if skirmish won't have tanks, or OMS. Plenty of people like playing those modes, and especially since FW/PC will be based on skirmish, players won't be able to avoid them all the time, only when they don't feel like dealing with them and want some good ol' infantry PvP.

But players will still have the opportunity to avoid them and they'll never learn to take out HAV. Would you want one of those scrubs in your corp if they didn't spec into some kind of AV or they don't know how to blow one up?

So, is bad timing your specialty?

Different game in a few hours. Tanks are toast.

So, is bad timing your specialty?

Different game in a few hours. Tanks are toast.

But really, why would it matter? If somebody want's to forfeit any experience taking them out, then why should they be stopped? Why shouldn't a player speced into infantry vs infantry be able to enjoy that aspect? Ambush isn't designed for vehicles, especially tanks. People generally play ambush to enjoy infantry vs infantry. People generally play skirmish to enjoy teamwork, squads and vehicle use (which is what that mode was designed for).

As an assault player that had to take on a role of AV (since heavies weren't fulfilling that role... which they were designed for BTW) I resent the fact that I have to multitask and deal with vehicles as well.

Players in this game are always complaining about the all-in-one aspect, and that we should be specific to our role. Well, my role as an assault player it to take out other infantry players, not vehicles. And the small map ambush design is for infantry vs infantry. Tanks are an unnatural element in that mode that severely offset it.


Also a decent recruiter will recruit as needed, and if the player has no experience taking out tanks, then either they are denied or placed in a position that doesn't require them to be AV. Unless you are implying that every class role in the game should be required to be specd into AV? What about snipers?

1: There is no Sniper Dropsuit frame; they're Scout suits. two different things.

2: So I skilled solely, for the most part, to the best of my ability, to have the best HAV's I can possibly make, even though they've been nerfed to ****, yet, I'm not allowed to use the only thing I skilled for, or play on matches where AV can hide eaiser? Or, use dropsuits that I haven't been skilled for? Actually, I will not. You sir, made me think less highly of the DJINN kind.


Peace, Godin

I took my HAV into ambush yday for the 1st time in weeks

I smashed the entire enemy team and it felt really good

I may continue to do this in Uprising as payback

Enjoy

I took my AR into ambush yday for the 100th time

I smashed the entire team and it felt really good

I may continue to do this in Uprising as 30/0 is fun

Enjoy

So why bother with a tank?

Unless you like going 40-0 and 20x the WP's

Because tanking is my passion.

20x the WPs? xD are you dumb? You don't get 20x the WP, you can get double the WP if you decide to kill every bolas in the game (buff bolas plz), never seen anyone hit over the 6k mark yet, definitely seen Infantry with 3k WP.

But really, I like spending 2.3 mil and risking it every game, it's a risk that gives me a reason to play.

Oh I'm sorry, did I exaggerate a bit?

My passion is infantry vs infantry, so why can't I enjoy that too without having a tank ruin an ambush match for me? Using my assault AV fit reaps little rewards, mostly loss. Unless I can manage to take out several tanks/vehicles, usually all I do is tickle tanks all match long and end up getting killed by infantry slayers, then spawning and getting killed again because my team is getting steamrolled.. rinse and repeat. I get a garbage payout, garbage SP, and usually take a hit on my KDR (since I can't kill squat with swarms and crappy sidearm vs dedicated infantry vs infantry players).

Apparently tankers get what they want, so why can't we infantry vs infantry players get a small break? Why would you be against an ambush mode without tanks?

Oh I'm sorry, did I exaggerate a bit?

My passion is infantry vs infantry, so why can't I enjoy that too without having a tank ruin an ambush match for me? Using my assault AV fit reaps little rewards, mostly loss. Unless I can manage to take out several tanks/vehicles, usually all I do is tickle tanks all match long and end up getting killed by infantry slayers, then spawning and getting killed again because my team is getting steamrolled.. rinse and repeat. I get a garbage payout, garbage SP, and usually take a hit on my KDR (since I can't kill squat with swarms and crappy sidearm vs dedicated infantry vs infantry players).

Apparently tankers get what you want, so why can't we infantry vs infantry players get a small break? Why would you be against an ambush mode without tanks?

Oh I'm sorry, did I exaggerate a bit?

My passion is infantry vs infantry, so why can't I enjoy that too without having a tank ruin an ambush match for me? Using my assault AV fit reaps little rewards, mostly loss. Unless I can manage to take out several tanks/vehicles, usually all I do is tickle tanks all match long and end up getting killed by infantry slayers, then spawning and getting killed again because my team is getting steamrolled.. rinse and repeat. I get a garbage payout, garbage SP, and usually take a hit on my KDR (since I can't kill squat with swarms and crappy sidearm vs dedicated infantry vs infantry players).

Apparently tankers get what they want, so why can't we infantry vs infantry players get a small break? Why would you be against an ambush mode without tanks?

Just a little ;)

My passion is stomp Infantry, but I can't enjoy that as there are things that will counter me as well! Then your problem is not the vehicles, but the rewards, which I fully support, AVers need better rewards to make it a more viable profession to specialize into, same with many other Tankers, we all feel specialized AVers don't get rewarded for the job they do. If they take out my 2.3 mil tank, they deserve ateast 1/2 of that.

Perhaps you need to look at what you're fighting when using your swarms. Armor tanks are your prey, not Shield Tanks, you need to learn that, you are the counter to Armor, that's why you tickle other tanks, we don't take nearly as much damage from swarms as armor tankers. It also seems to me you are playing without a Squad, which again is an issue. Matchmaking should focus on putting Squads together and Solos together, not putting two squads on one team and the solos on the other, it's bad.

I refuse to even acknowledge a mode with vehicular restrictions, in Uprising, Vehicles are becoming a specialized class really, anyone you see with a proper tank won't have any infantry skills, as all the core skills that we once shared are being separated. You cannot play DUST and expect it to protect you from other elements of the game. I can't ask CCP to give us an all Vehicle Mode nor a Infantry only mode, we can ask for maps that heavily favour one or the other, but note a mode with those restrictions.

What you really need, is a map with indoor areas, so that you can escape the vehicles.

If you want infantry vs infantry, go play something else. Complaining about an established gaming mechanic makes you look selfish and ignorant. Also, you're not supposed to solo a tank, AV need teamwork just like the teamwork the tank is getting when you try to approach it with your your swarms and crappy sidearm. Why are you using swarms anyway? AV grenades are OP, remember? You got one topic saying teamwork is OP and now you got another one saying HAV is OP. If this keeps up, people are just going to get the impression you just suck. HTFU!

You do realize that the DJINN are some of the more notorious tankers, right? Not sure which are the pilots myself, but I'm sure he has decent experience on both sides of the issue.

Actually, an all vehicle mode (tanks vs tanks) would be pretty awesome I think. I come from games like Warhawk, first thing I did was pure dogfights with the hawks. No infantry, no tanks, just hawk vs hawk dog-fighting all the time. It was amazing. Then I moved onto the more complex modes, which included every class possible (infantry, tanks, jeeps, turrets, and hawks), which changed the gameplay drastically. Required more teamwork, clans, organization etc.

I don't see why there shouldn't be a tank vs tank gamemode, I mean when I see freindly players bring in tanks specifically to battle enemy tanks, I think "That is the proper role of a tank, to take on other tanks and vehicles". But tanks vs infantry is just so... no offense... cowardly. Most players in ambush are not prepared to take on a tank, especially one with the experience you have. Ambush players want to fight other infantry players, it's the natural role of a TDM match in a FPS. If i want to fight tanks, dropships, LAV's and organized squads and go for objectives, I will play skirmish.

The thing is, even if AV offered a decent reward, that is not my preferred play style. I like fighting other infantry. When I want to enjoy the other stuff, skirmish (or OMS) should be my choice.