The other thread has bugged like a bug, so here goes again.....

Basically, in short, can someone please explain to me what's going on with all this 'refund' drama? I've read the threads and announcements, but I'm not getting it.

everyone looses their isk/aur items in their assets and gets the current prices for both in todays market. If it doesent have an isk/aur market value in todays market you keep it

People are being picky about some poor wording by CCP in the purchase agreement for the closed beta merc pack. They're upset due to the measure that CCP has decided to use to refund the merc pack, namely you can get it back if you want too, but you have to be reset to do so. In some people's opinion(and CCP's) this is the fairest way, as it means people won't be getting any extra AUR or the sp they might have gotten through the use of boosters. In short it prevented people from getting twice the amount of SP for the same amount of AUR. Other people see this as grossly unfair and CCP breaking their word, and that they should have refunded the merc pack/found a better solution.

In short, everyone would have been a lot happier, if CCP had been clearer on this issue, both in the merc pack description, and in the last few months of confusion.

People are being picky about some poor wording by CCP in the purchase agreement for the closed beta merc pack. They're upset due to the measure that CCP has decided to use to refund the merc pack, namely you can get it back if you want too, but you have to be reset to do so. In some people's opinion(and CCP's) this is the fairest way, as it means people won't be getting any extra AUR or the sp they might have gotten through the use of boosters. In short it prevented people from getting twice the amount of SP for the same amount of AUR. Other people see this as grossly unfair and CCP breaking their word, and that they should have refunded the merc pack/found a better solution.

In short, everyone would have been a lot happier, if CCP had been clearer on this issue, both in the merc pack description, and in the last few months of confusion.

How bout trying to use the search engine instead of making two threads asking the same question that's been answered 100 times? -.-

People are being picky about some poor wording by CCP in the purchase agreement for the closed beta merc pack. They're upset due to the measure that CCP has decided to use to refund the merc pack, namely you can get it back if you want too, but you have to be reset to do so. In some people's opinion(and CCP's) this is the fairest way, as it means people won't be getting any extra AUR or the sp they might have gotten through the use of boosters. In short it prevented people from getting twice the amount of SP for the same amount of AUR. Other people see this as grossly unfair and CCP breaking their word, and that they should have refunded the merc pack/found a better solution.

In short, everyone would have been a lot happier, if CCP had been clearer on this issue, both in the merc pack description, and in the last few months of confusion.

Every thread I find has people already talking about it as a thing that already exists. No-one is explaining it.

The first thread bugged by the way. That information is the very first line of my post.

Wow. Talk about a loophole. They took a massive **** on some peoples happiness with that one.

Wow. Talk about a loophole. They took a massive **** on some peoples happiness with that one.

Just to confuse issues but I believe in Announcents the Uprising Skill Respec Dev blog post they defined current price as the price of items after uprising has been installed e.g current price of Dropship is say 500k and when uprising is installed the price of that dropship is now 250k and you have 100 of these dropships from salvage then you will be refunded 100x250k and not 100x500k.

Unfortunately it appears "current" means prices on the Uprising market and not the chromosome (update) market.

Re post 30 of the Dev blog. "if we have changed any prices, then those will be the prices used" CCP Eterne

Forums do seem buggly lately - two of my own threads 404 error me but still posted blank this week.

It's not a proper loophole, until Chromosome, CCP planned to have a full character reset on launch accompanied by a refund of all merc packs and aurum, and the descriptions on the merc packs etc were written as such.

The problem occurred when CCP decided to be nice to us beta folk and scrap the final launch reset, letting us keep all our SP etc after launch, the general understanding was that this also meant no further merc pack / aurum refunds, seeing as CCP would no longer be removing them or any benefits gained from them - but of course some people are just ridiculously self entitled and decided that they want CCP to give them extra stuff for no reason, f*cking over any players that didn't buy any merc packs in the process.

The only solution to this issue that is fair to all players is the one CCP went with, give people the option to get their refund under the initial conditions, namely the previously planned reset.

OOOOOOHHHH, NOW I get it!

This kind of explanation is what I was looking for!