Oh yea, and the role bonus is so laughably bad.

Don't forget that HMGs can reload as fast as an AR. -25% from frame bonus, -25% from HMG Rapid Reload, HMG reloaded in 2 seconds; compared to 1.5 seconds for Caldari and 2.25 seconds for all other suits. And since the heavy bonus is for the frame and not race, all future heavies will do this as well.

Crap, didn't have the stats in front of me. So 4 seconds instead of 2. Those numbers were apples to apples though; heavies have two skills to reduce reload time, Caldari have two as well, but all other suits have only one.

I give up, I'm going to sleep.
I was refering to number of ranks in skills, heavies have twp reload skills, Caldari assaults have two, everyone else gets one.

Heavies are buffed, trust me, I'm sat on sisi right now looking at the skills. You'll just have to be smart about fitting and skills, pretty much like every other class of dropsuit.

I think the role of heavies might change to Point defence (what IMO heavies should be really). A good squad of HMGers and Logis should be able to camp and deny a point for hours if they co-ordinate properly.

Heavies are buffed, trust me, I'm sat on sisi right now looking at the skills. You'll just have to be smart about fitting and skills, pretty much like every other class of dropsuit.

I think the role of heavies might change to Point defence (what IMO heavies should be really). A good squad of HMGers and Logis should be able to camp and deny a point for hours if they co-ordinate properly.

And get no WP because the defense range for aquring points when an order is up means you have to be literally sitting on the point and because Logis have everything point capped.

No role should be typeset to do a single thing.

By that logic snipers should be just fine in close quarters and we should be able to lock swarm launchers on to infantry

Dedicated roles are not a bad thing but if you really must be a jack of all trades, and I get the feeling you will hate this idea, pick up an AR since thats what it was designed for
Decent at everything and in the hands of a good player youll be mowing people down in a way that sends people to this forum QQing

About 50 point is not "a massive buff" and you'll have to have a load of plates on to get High Armor. That means super slow movement.

Only one Race of Heavy suit is being released, so you have no choice.

CCP has said that balancing via ISK is bad.

Heavy is pretty much pure "wait for someone to come within range"

Your hope is silly, let's talk about doom and gloom some more.

Okay, maybe, just maybe the other racily variant of the heavy suit will wow, because Amarr seems to be the "middle ground" suit armor and shield wise.

Jokes on you nerfhearder. I am currently skilling into AR. Choosing to use a sniper rifle is typecasting yourself but you'll have a scout or assault suit with far more options. While the Heavy will still move like a rock and show up on radar from a mile away. Forced to stay in one area and hope for people to walk by.

The current reload speed for a heavy is 8 seconds. The racial bonus is 2% per level, not 5%. Even if you did manage to max out both reload speed skill and the racial bonus (which, combined, would be a ton of SP, like 5 million), you'd still only be at 5.2 seconds. Plus when you're comparing, you have to use as similar a situation as you can get. In this case it means you'd also have to take into account an AR user with 5 levels in Rapid reload, meaning the gap is even larger.

About 50 point is not "a massive buff" and you'll have to have a load of plates on to get High Armor. That means super slow movement.

Only one Race of Heavy suit is being released, so you have no choice.

CCP has said that balancing via ISK is bad.

Heavy is pretty much pure "wait for someone to come within range"

Your hope is silly, let's talk about doom and gloom some more.

Okay, maybe, just maybe the other racily variant of the heavy suit will wow, because Amarr seems to be the "middle ground" suit armor and shield wise.

Buff = Heavies are getting a massive HP increase, early signs are indicating that the Heavy sentinel could possibly have HP upwards of 1500..... (that's literally the same as a militia LAV).

Buff = Since sharpshooter for all guns wont increase the range for any weapons anymore it pulls enemies and allies into a much closer proximity to each other. Heavies wont get sniped across the map by AR's, LR's, SR's, SMG's, Pistols, or Shotguns anymore, the enemy will have to close in on a heavy now which is a buff to heavies because..... well..... Heavies are about as effective at close range as shotguns in my opinion.... (really good).

Theres this new thing called vehicles that let you move around quickly and we each get one for free even how cool is that
And if you want to get really daring theres this thing called a drop ship that lets you quickly deploy to pretty much anywhere on the field

Teamwork dude, learn it, use it, love it

Woe. so much wisdom... your forgetting theres this very old thing called Packed AV nades that 1 shot a lav and blow you up. Theres another thing called crowded maps were lavs and dropships are not viable. Whatchya gona do put a heavy on a roof? hes not reaching or doing damage anymore. Theres this thing common called being a dumbass

The current reload speed for a heavy is 8 seconds. The racial bonus is 2% per level, not 5%. Even if you did manage to max out both reload speed skill and the racial bonus (which, combined, would be a ton of SP, like 5 million), you'd still only be at 5.2 seconds. Plus when you're comparing, you have to use as similar a situation as you can get. In this case it means you'd also have to take into account an AR user with 5 levels in Rapid reload, meaning the gap is even larger.

Honestly if you are dumb enough to drive into range of an AV nade without having the sense to at least bail out of the vehicle then you deserve to get blown up, same goes for that nice big slow moving mass of missiles from a swarm launcher
As for cramped maps guess what you wont need the vehicle BECAUSE THE MAP IS ALREADY CRAMPED AND THE ENEMY CLOSE

Now Ill stop being a sarcastic prick about this issue when I see a heavy that has some reasonable objections and good suggestions on how their class should be tweaked and not some guys QQing because they cant play juggernaut anymore

Oh and for what I imagine is the inevitable "An AR killed me, they need to be nerfed not me" I have bad news, even though you had a firepower and armor advantage you lost not because the AR is magic but because you need more practice

The health increase is negated by the removal of Shield Control and Mechanics, so it really ends up being a nerf.

And the removal of Sharpshooter is a negligible difference and the HMG range nerf will completely negate it.