5.2 seconds being plenty of time for a heavy to be dropped from full shield/armor hp to dead by an AR

Heres a thought...... find somewhere safe before you try reloading??? How did this thread devolve to a reloading time thread??? the amount of time you see a heavy reloading compared to the times you see a heavy firing are completely disproportionate. So why is that 10% of your time as a heavy being discussed as a balancing issue here??? its a 450 round gun it better take a few more seconds than an AR to reload.... jeez

first off, shield control/ mechanics are gone??? that sounds a bit..... questionable, but I wont confirm or deny that. Secondly HOW IS THE REMOVAL OF SHARPSHOOTER NEGLIGIBLE????? The biggest complaint I hear from heavies is getting melted by some gun from across the map! how are you going to say that its not a huge buff for them to be able to..... you know cross an open field??? Sure snipers are still there but that only made up for 30% of the open field deaths heavies got. (based off of LR's, AR's, and Snipers being the biggest down range culprits). Its a HUGE buff that people have to move in close to hit heavies now, especially considering how an HMG in the current build has pretty much the same range as an AR. After tomorrows range nerf AR/LR specialist will find only a narrow window to hit a heavy without getting hit himself, AND THATS assuming the heavy doesn't have a handy dandy logi/squad backing him up. Not to mention that the AR will only do tiny bits of damage to a Suit with over 1000 HP (when the heavy is at the cusp of his range in that window I just set up for you)....... lol don't go and say things like a 35% range nerf ISN'T a big deal.

Nerf = HMG Range + Damage
Nerf = Flaylock Pistol (explosive damage = bad for non shield heavies)

That about sums up the 'overall' nerfs for the heavy coming tomorrow (that im aware of).

Buff = Heavy Suit prices have been reduced to match assault gear of the same meta level IE: Heavy VK.1 will cost around 90k instead of 250k

Buff = Heavy Weapons such as the HMG specifically are significantly cheaper so as to match Light weapons of the same meta level.

Buff = Heavies are getting a massive HP increase, early signs are indicating that the Heavy sentinel could possibly have HP upwards of 1500..... (that's literally the same as a militia LAV).

Buff = Since sharpshooter for all guns wont increase the range for any weapons anymore it pulls enemies and allies into a much closer proximity to each other. Heavies wont get sniped across the map by AR's, LR's, SR's, SMG's, Pistols, or Shotguns anymore, the enemy will have to close in on a heavy now which is a buff to heavies because..... well..... Heavies are about as effective at close range as shotguns in my opinion.... (really good).

CONCLUSION: Uprising will be a massive HP buff for the above stated reasons, Sure the Range and Damage is getting nerfed, but that's to balance out the fact that running Heavy suits from now on will give you MUCH MORE HEALTH and you'll be doing it for MUCH CHEAPER. Not to mention that your going to be playing in a much more clustered environment given the range nerfs across the board. So yeah...... uprising may 6th = heavy buff (btw all of this info has been gathered by official dev statements, most notably the patch notes that came out recently).

Buffs to my wallet don't enable me to win corp matches.

Buffs to my wallet don't enable me to win corp matches.

I think the role of heavies might change to Point defence (what IMO heavies should be really). A good squad of HMGers and Logis should be able to camp and deny a point for hours if they co-ordinate properly.

If they fix the AFK problem in skirmish then it may actually be possible for us to fulfill that role. Right now in ambuch there are few levels that have significant cover around an important area so if a heavy stays there people either just don't go or they kill them from range. So we have to either move to the frontline of a battle (disadvantageous) or hang out and hope the battle comes to us without the rest of our team dying.

Buffs to my wallet don't enable me to win corp matches.

being able to affordably run Proto gear does though. Unless your team is bad, then it doesn't matter What you can afford to run.

Heavies are buffed, trust me, I'm sat on sisi right now looking at the skills. You'll just have to be smart about fitting and skills, pretty much like every other class of dropsuit.

I think the role of heavies might change to Point defence (what IMO heavies should be really). A good squad of HMGers and Logis should be able to camp and deny a point for hours if they co-ordinate properly.

Lolol your out of date pal, if everything gets a 35% range nerf heavy gets a 50-70% nerf cuz it has a damage and range nerf. the HMG is, for all intents and purposes, a weaker shotgun on the slowist suit ever devised. Same range? your crazy. btw, Proto ARs in an untouchable suit with a damage mod kills everything. HMGs wont no matter how a heavy fits. Heavy is now the most skill demanding class to get it to work properly, ppl are not going to get inside a heavys optimal range of 30m you have an AR.

Besides, what a squad of AR assults works together? your doomed!

assults run proto too...? their better than heavys

Woe. so much wisdom... your forgetting theres this very old thing called Packed AV nades that 1 shot a lav and blow you up. Theres another thing called crowded maps were lavs and dropships are not viable. Whatchya gona do put a heavy on a roof? hes not reaching or doing damage anymore. Theres this thing common called being a dumbass

So if an AR has a max range of 50, and you as a heavy has a max range of 30, your just going to sit there and let a proto AR tick away your health in that 20 foot window??? Are you used to just bending over like that? or do you try to close the gap by either moving up or luring the AR in??? Do you run solo often? because that would make your statement much more understandable, but considering this game is based off teamwork........ Your right the HMG is basically like a shotgun..... accept you have 450 rounds and the shotgun has about 8........ you have 450 chances to hit something where as the shotgun gets 8. Not to mention the range advantage you have over a shotgun, I mean hell if your a decent heavy that strafes in CQC you should be more then capable of besting a shotgunner.

Also I don't understand how you get 50-70% nerf to heavy range....... I run a type-1 heavy with 1100 hp and a standard HMG with ZERO sharpshooter in heavy weapons yet its very easy for me to kill people down range. Sure I cant snipe people across the map like AR's but its not like Im really going to need that this upcoming build anyway because of how CQC oriented it'll be without the Sharpshooter buff. What do you think there nerfing Heavy range by 50%??? if you do then your insane, Unless you have a dev post somewhere you can link me so I can see the exact numbers for myself........

Currently a Proto heavy loses to a proto assault even in close range if the assault player is good.

Also I don't understand how you get 50-70% nerf to heavy range....... I run a type-1 heavy with 1100 hp and a standard HMG with ZERO sharpshooter in heavy weapons yet its very easy for me to kill people down range. Sure I cant snipe people across the map like AR's but its not like Im really going to need that this upcoming build anyway because of how CQC oriented it'll be without the Sharpshooter buff. What do you think there nerfing Heavy range by 50%??? if you do then your insane, Unless you have a dev post somewhere you can link me so I can see the exact numbers for myself........

i took your qoutes and proved them wrong with the math you presented and now you changed it up. smh i cant debate against something forever changing. btw, the AR has no recoil, perfect 100% accuracy and the hmg lacks all of that. and ARs have a weaker nerf than HMGs its in the patchnotes, there is no AR 45% nerf of any sort. their certainly could be with the hmg and i used your math and other valid proof

If it were a balancing, only sharpshooter would have been removed. There would have been no reduction in dmg, high power slot or range specifically for HMG and heavy suit if it were balance. Until CCP gives us some specific reason for this heavy nerf we can take it to mean that CCP dislikes their heavy suited players or that they adore the assault rifle and suit a little too much.

I don't like this situation for the heavy. CCP has received considerable negative feedback to which they hiding and have not responded to inform the player base that the heavy nerf is not as bad as we believe or that the heavy truly needed the nerf.

YOU MEAN OVERHEATING WEAPON DAMAGE REDUCTION AND SLIGHTLY FASTER RELOAD IS NOT A BUFF?!

What ****** class bonuses, neither make you think "oh this is definitively a skill that'd benefit a heavy"

I think the whole "informing the players why" thing is going to happen in about 24 hours......

Nerf = HMG Range + Damage
Nerf = Flaylock Pistol (explosive damage = bad for non shield heavies)

That about sums up the 'overall' nerfs for the heavy coming tomorrow (that im aware of).

Buff = Heavy Suit prices have been reduced to match assault gear of the same meta level IE: Heavy VK.1 will cost around 90k instead of 250k

Buff = Heavy Weapons such as the HMG specifically are significantly cheaper so as to match Light weapons of the same meta level.

Buff = Heavies are getting a massive HP increase, early signs are indicating that the Heavy sentinel could possibly have HP upwards of 1500..... (that's literally the same as a militia LAV).

Buff = Since sharpshooter for all guns wont increase the range for any weapons anymore it pulls enemies and allies into a much closer proximity to each other. Heavies wont get sniped across the map by AR's, LR's, SR's, SMG's, Pistols, or Shotguns anymore, the enemy will have to close in on a heavy now which is a buff to heavies because..... well..... Heavies are about as effective at close range as shotguns in my opinion.... (really good).

CONCLUSION: Uprising will be a massive HP buff for the above stated reasons, Sure the Range and Damage is getting nerfed, but that's to balance out the fact that running Heavy suits from now on will give you MUCH MORE HEALTH and you'll be doing it for MUCH CHEAPER. Not to mention that your going to be playing in a much more clustered environment given the range nerfs across the board. So yeah...... uprising may 6th = heavy buff (btw all of this info has been gathered by official dev statements, most notably the patch notes that came out recently).