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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:55:00 -
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The so-called "buffs" you list are really only buffs to your wallet size. The nerfs you list are legitimate role-based nerfs.
Also, I'm pretty sure the base heavy health in Uprising is 405/405 as opposed to the current 320/422 (for shield types). I think where people are getting the 1500 number is one of Jenza's videos where she had maxed out field mechanics, shield control (plus the PG- and the CPU-increasing skills), and probably 3 complex armor plates. I'm not sure how she managed to get her shields so high though. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:59:00 -
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Oh yea, and the role bonus is so laughably bad. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.05 13:03:00 -
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Tiluvo wrote:Don't forget that HMGs can reload as fast as an AR. -25% from frame bonus, -25% from HMG Rapid Reload, HMG reloaded in 2 seconds; compared to 1.5 seconds for Caldari and 2.25 seconds for all other suits. And since the heavy bonus is for the frame and not race, all future heavies will do this as well.
The current reload speed for a heavy is 8 seconds. The racial bonus is 2% per level, not 5%. Even if you did manage to max out both reload speed skill and the racial bonus (which, combined, would be a ton of SP, like 5 million), you'd still only be at 5.2 seconds. Plus when you're comparing, you have to use as similar a situation as you can get. In this case it means you'd also have to take into account an AR user with 5 levels in Rapid reload, meaning the gap is even larger. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.05 13:08:00 -
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Tiluvo wrote:Crap, didn't have the stats in front of me. So 4 seconds instead of 2. Those numbers were apples to apples though; heavies have two skills to reduce reload time, Caldari have two as well, but all other suits have only one.
No, it's 5.2 seconds. I took your 5% per racial level for reload at face value, when in fact it's 2%. And, again, you need to use similar situations. An AR user with 5 points in Rapid Reload would be reloading in 1.5 seconds (assuming 2 seconds is the base reload time).
1.5 seconds vs 5.2 seconds isn't even in the ballpark of apples to apples. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.05 13:20:00 -
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Tiluvo wrote:I give up, I'm going to sleep.
I was refering to number of ranks in skills, heavies have twp reload skills, Caldari assaults have two, everyone else gets one.
Yes, they have 2% from the racial bonus and 5% from Rapid Reload. That's still only a max of 35%. But if you choose to compare the reload time of a heavy with 5 in Rapid Reload, you need to choose an AR user with 5 in Rapid Reload, too, so things are as objective as possible. AR users (unless they're using the Caldari suit) don't get the 2% per level from the racial skill, but that's insignificant when the base reload timer is 6 seconds lower. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.05 13:21:00 -
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xaerael Kabiel wrote:Heavies are buffed, trust me, I'm sat on sisi right now looking at the skills. You'll just have to be smart about fitting and skills, pretty much like every other class of dropsuit.
I think the role of heavies might change to Point defence (what IMO heavies should be really). A good squad of HMGers and Logis should be able to camp and deny a point for hours if they co-ordinate properly.
What skills are you talking about? |
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