ARs actually got nerfed too, buddy. This is coming from a concerned heavy. No favoritism :D

AR "nerf" is the removal or repurpose of the sharpshooter skill that affects all weapons. ARs already out range and DPS the HMG by a small margin, now that margin has gotten even larger. Sure the HMG is cheaper, but that's only because you're going to die a lot more as a heavy now. Welcome to AR 514

proto AR gets out dps by a STD HMG.. I don't hear anyone saying anything about that being bad.

Because the HMG needs to be in spitting distance to take full advantage of that.

The AR can engage at max efficiency at ranges the HMG only wishes it could.

so at the effective range the HMG is effective.. what are you QQing about then? it doesn't have range, everyone knows that, its not meant to.

so at the effective range the HMG is effective.. what are you QQing about then? it doesn't have range, everyone knows that, its not meant to.

proto AR gets out dps by a STD HMG.. I don't hear anyone saying anything about that being bad.

This is the funniest thing i've seen in weeks!

FACT: If a STD HMG is out-damaging your proto-AR you're doing it ALL THE WAY WRONG.

As it stands now the base stats of AR vs. HMG standard variants:

.....................AR................................HMG

Damage.......31.0 HP........................16.0 HP

RoF..............750.0 RPM...................2000.0 RPM

Accuracy......56.0..............................61.5

DPS.............387.5 HP/s...................533.3 HP/s

For the prototype weapons:


....................AR (Duvolle)...............HMG (Boundless)

Damage......34.1 HP........................17.6 HP

RoF.............750.0 RPM...................2000.0 RPM

Accuracy.....57.2..............................61.5

DPS............426.25 HP/s......................586.6 HP/s

This is why the patch notes should have had footnotes from the developers explaining specific changes, especially nerfs.

533.3 beats 426.25 last time I check unless something bad has gone in the world and 500 is actually less then 400

Assuming every round hit, which they dont, due to the HMG's spread in the first few seconds.

but it still fires the same bullets for the same damage, AR kick and lose their target over time yet everyone counts as if every round hits every time, double standard?

but it still fires the same bullets for the same damage, AR kick and lose their target over time yet everyone counts as if every round hits every time, double standard?

Assuming every round hit, which they dont, due to the HMG's spread in the first few seconds.

Oh great, now Assault Rifles are even more OP at range, because HMG's can't hit them past four feet, but you can actually counter-snipe with Assault Rifles. Grreeeaeaattt.

Try burst firing?

I've always found it very easy to put rounds on target with the AR as long as you don't have a deathgrip on the trigger.

And ADS literally makes them pinpoint accurate.

The reason people treat the AR as if it does its full damage is that any missed shots are a result of user error, while the HMG uses a random number generator to determine the path of a shot, most shots missed by the HMG are a direct result of the Heavy getting told 'No' by the game.

Try burst firing?

I've always found it very easy to put rounds on target with the AR as long as you don't have a deathgrip on the trigger.

And ADS literally makes them pinpoint accurate.

The reason people treat the AR as if it does its full damage is that any missed shots are a result of user error, while the HMG uses a random number generator to determine the path of a shot.

lol @ ladwar

Due to their spread OVERALL. HMGs waste about 30-40% of their rounds...on the flipside the heavy hitbox eats everything. If you're missing a heavy? There's just no words.

I actually support the range decrease for the HMG, but trying to act like a STD HMG can out-damage a Duvolle is hilarious.

Funny how its your turn for a nerf and now its not the whole adapt or die cuz it involves your beloved class haha we've all gone through it now and it won't be the last

Guys, you know burst-fire means you're effectively reducing your RoF without increasing the damage per shot, right?

That results in - just like missing does - reduced DPS.

So... HMG gets even further ahead by encouraging continuous fire.

Again, starting burst damage is better on ARs, but sustained DPS is much better on the HMG.

AR Assaults haven't been nerfed yet. The first AR nerf just made the standard AR variants better.

Hmm iron sights suck they were flattend creo is worthless burst is okay tac sucks

All the weapons got flattened.

HMGs can't even ADS at all.

And the assault variant of the HMG is pointless because it just turns into a spitball thrower. The Burst HMG is a slightly more impressive shotgun, only you'll never get the benefit of the reduced spread.

AR Assaults haven't been nerfed yet. The first AR nerf just made the standard AR variants better.

Derp, that's kind of the point of an HMG; owns face up close, sucks at range--about time they fixed the range on that gun