So you're telling me their niche is mid range, even though you claim that they can't actually do it because they lack range?

Next you're going to tell me that bunnies are apex predators?

Look I agree with you in that most heavies do QQ a little too much, and that there's a whole mess of terrible heavies out there, but there's also many valid points for why heavies weren't as OP as people claimed they were, and that the changes made to the HMG currently look completely unjustified. I say currently look because theirs still a lot we don't know.

Thats the role, see you want to dish out pain. Sorry a rapid fire large clip weapon like HMG(HEAVY MACHINE GUN) is designed for suppression not killing, if you want to kill play support.

If you dont want to be pigeon holed then get more SP to play other roles(Its a SSR; situational support role). It seems that people want their role to be the jack of all trades mantra of assualt ARs, but they arent.

You also overlooked two different ways a heavy can be played in combat but you ignore that because you want to fit your playstyle into the role rather then the other way around. Fact is its not us ruined by COD but players like yourself where you can take a LMG/HMG and be as effective as a player using an AR in those games.

Perhaps if you played more tactical squad based shooters you'd appreciate the difference, and even many of those games made those roles more versatile because they had to be given the smaller player counts so if the devs didnt want those games to be full time AR they needed those roles to function a little like a slayer.

In 16 v 16 and eventual 32v32 48v48 the roles can actually play their roles without harming the need for versatility because the player count allows for it.

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Also double post but you seem to favor lacing your posts with higher vocabulary and uncommon theories and concepts in order to establish your own validity? Sorry, I don't really want to know why you consider yourself so credible.

Just tell me your opinions, try and back it up with facts, and if you must explain a relevant concept but don't rattle off a list of how you imply you somehow are more educated.

I'm pretty sure we aren't getting those no movement penalty armor plates this build, I would love a link if you have confirmed we will though.

I don't think we are, perhaps I worded my response wierdly, I was saying that our continued lack of mobility and low eHP, combined with the nerf to range AND DAMAGE on top of the removal of HMG sharpshooter makes us a sitting duck for other weapons especially when Assault users can out manuever and out DPS us at range, it just is really a huge slap to heavies no matter how you look at it.

Dafuq?

Gave you facts, gave you also insights into where common mistakes in opposition arguments exist. I don't lorde my education over anyone but when i speak i factor in that not everyone reading it understands the logic that leads to my conclusions. It reduced confusion and needless back and forth.

Its actually a workflow of stepwise logic. Since facts are meaningless if not put into context.

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If you desire is to be a slayer then pick the role designed to be that role.

Sentinel (The role is self-explanatory) its hardly my problem you can't understand that. Breaking your psychological conditioning that the only way to be of help to your team is to rack up kills.


Heavies are are role by their design meant to be meatshield not damage dealer. You are also meant to be the anti vehicle class. too bad vehicles are not being specced into. But thats a different conversation. Lest you forget the class is defaulted into AV weaponry before people willingly spec into the HMG weapon. Oh this isn't opinion, this is based on the descriptions of the class itself which i have pulled from CCP's website and character creation screen.

That's all fine and good just one little problem. A Scout is rewarded for doing his role plus killing. A Logi is rewarded for doing his role plus killing . An Assault is rewarded for doing his job plus he can do extra tasks like revive or resupply and get rewarded for that.

However a Heavy gets no reward for doing his role . There is no reward for standing in front of your logi and being shot in the face. There is no reward for standing in front of point waiting and hoping that the enemy team is actually stupid enough to try to come close up to take it from you instead of simply filling the place with mass drivers. There is little to no reward for putting a stream of bullets on rock to suppress the enemy behind it while your assault moves in for the kill.

The only thing we get rewarded for is killing people ..... and this build seems to severely limit that. When we fall behind in WP production by simply by doing what we are supposed to do something is wrong. When it takes an astounding Heavy to match the WP contribution of an average Slayer something is wrong.

It's wrong because when it comes time to divide up the loot the heavy will always be the smaller piece compared to his counterparts of equal skill. This means less SP and Isk which in turn means slower progression in comparison to other roles which hurts in this build that punishes generalization and forces specialization.( Yes yes I know DS pilots I feel for you too .) A little bit more pain , a minor one but still annoying , when you realize Heavy needs a bit more mandatory SP for his role compared to other roles .

AV heavies also has it's problems ..... mostly due to lack of targets and that we're only rewarded if we get the kill shot despite how damage we do.


TLDR : There is little incentive for Heavies to do their job the "right" way....