DUST Search - CCP, Nerf the AR

Kiro Justice wrote:

Gonna get to straight to the point: The Duvolle is an automatic sniper rifle and the game is losing (has lost) its variety and flair. I didn't come to play AR514 but that's what it's turning into.

The AR guys have been QQ-ing about...Well...Everything and now, the only weapon that works IS the AR and a handful of others (MD, Laser Rifle, Sniper. Sometimes) everything else has been nerfed to **** (Tanks, HMG's, Dropships) and there's no reason to spec into another weapon.

Assault Rifle Uses

Area Denial - Check

Infantry Removal - Check

SNIPING - Check (Wtf?!)

Close, middle, long range engagements - Check, check, check.

You see the problem here. There is honestly no reason to do anything else. I'm not whining since, once every so often I use the AR but...Come on. This is ridiculous, there's no reason that I don't even have to ask people what they're specing into.

Me: What are you gonna do on May 6th?

Other guy and me : Assault Rifle (We say this at the same time, mind you.)

I would propose a damage nerf, kinda like the one you gave the HMG (Again, wtf?!) since there is no way on this side of reality that an assault rifle should be outdamaging an HMG.

Or simply Buff the heavy, I know you fear "Power Creep" but we fear having only one class in the game, which is what'll happen if this thing doesn't get nerfed or the heavy get buffed. I'd like to think our fears are more important, mainly due to the fact that we're your audience and you want to keep us here.

Just observations.


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Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2013.05.04 06:58:00 - [1] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: Gonna get to straight to the point: The Duvolle is an automatic sniper rifle and the game is losing (has lost) its variety and flair. I didn't come to play AR514 but that's what it's turning into. The AR guys have been QQ-ing about...Well...Everything and now, the only weapon that works IS the AR and a handful of others (MD, Laser Rifle, Sniper. Sometimes) everything else has been nerfed to **** (Tanks, HMG's, Dropships) and there's no reason to spec into another weapon. Assault Rifle Uses Area Denial - Check Infantry Removal - Check SNIPING - Check (Wtf?!) Close, middle, long range engagements - Check, check, check. You see the problem here. There is honestly no reason to do anything else. I'm not whining since, once every so often I use the AR but...Come on. This is ridiculous, there's no reason that I don't even have to ask people what they're specing into. Me: What are you gonna do on May 6th? Other guy and me : Assault Rifle (We say this at the same time, mind you.) I would propose a damage nerf, kinda like the one you gave the HMG (Again, wtf?!) since there is no way on this side of reality that an assault rifle should be outdamaging an HMG. Or simply Buff the heavy, I know you fear "Power Creep" but we fear having only one class in the game, which is what'll happen if this thing doesn't get nerfed or the heavy get buffed. I'd like to think our fears are more important, mainly due to the fact that we're your audience and you want to keep us here. Just observations. Truth be told, Dust 514 is appealing to the lowest common denominator right now. Not sure about uprising, but if the patch notes are any indication, it's going to stay the path. As of right now, the AR is the elephant in the room. It's the sole reason for all the rage, lack of variety, and unfun counter mechanics in the game, because there are no counters for it and if there are, people QQ about them until it's nerfed to novelty. You're going to have great numbers of subscribers on Monday, that's a fact. But the question is, how long are you going to keep them around when this overpowered weapon is allowed to run rampant. I've had several friends that I've tried to bring into the game that ultimately quit because they die in 1/8th of a second to this thing. The range is too great, the damage is too high, and if you keep catering to it's primary users, you're going to shoot yourself in the foot. When the next popular shooter comes out, the majority of those people are going to leave, without even paying a penny. Then your dedicated community will be leaving next because of the state that the casuals have left the game: AR 514, another generic CoD/BF clone where the stats, classes, vehicles, other weapons and fittings are just fluff because the AR is the best weapon in the game.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2013.05.04 07:20:00 - [2] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: I wholeheartedly agree. PC won't be fun if everyone is using the same gun. Neither will FW, none of the "Links to EVE" or "Single Server" BS will mean a thing because everyone will be using the same gun. In essence, you won't be ALLOWED to use anything except the AR due to the fact that it'll be the only gun that wins, and no Corp is gonna keep a loser, you'll be kicked from your corp, or at the very least, not allowed to participate in important fights. There will be no "I was there" because no one will BE there. I came to this game for depth and involvement. All I'm getting is shot in the face by AR's and occasionally shooting people in the face with them, which is fun and all but I'd love to be able to do it with...ANY other weapon without being penalized for not using an AR. Exactly, and there won't be any full scale battles like this because HAV have been reduced to redline snipers in cardboard box armor, heavies are confined to camping, scouts are the same speed as assaults, nobody gives a **** about logibros, dropships are still flying pinata and LAVs are are... well, you know.... Instead, every battle is going to take place on a flat surface with people running around like lemmings on crack with their stacked damage modded Duvolles that can kill you in 4 shots. At that rate, why not just cut out the middle man and take out all the modules, SP, skills, shields, armor, guns... etc and just take money out of your wallet every time you die?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 421	Posted - 2013.05.04 07:48:00 - [3] - Quote Rich o wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: People complaining and hardly playing the game. I see deaths from many other weapons besides the AR. This And I can't see the problem - the AR is the standard weapon in most FPSs out there, people are used to it. Any other weapon requires more skill and of course other tactics to not get killed literally every 10 secs and there are a lot of guys out there who are able to use them in the way they're ment to work. I highly welcome the HMG-range-buff as it is ridiculous that LVL1-HMGs can kill well fitted advanced assault suits in 80m range. The HMG is a killer at short range, and that is where it should be operated. It also is perfectly clear that LVL-1 heavys can be killed by proto-ARs at close range. Additionally the range buff applies to all weapons, so the outcome is the same, but people have to get closer to get a hit Problem is that any tom **** and harry can stack some complex damage mods and pew pew from across the map, praying and spraying to take people out. I don't even think people ADS anymore since there's nothing to differentiate dispersion and kick. Heavies have a learning curve. They're a good beginner class for anyone new to the game but after a certain point, you hit a wall in skill and have to decide on whether or not you want to specialize in your weapon and role due to SP requirements. Assaults with an AR, can get a primo fitting on day 1 and can go out there collecting kills like it's nobody's business because of imbalance. There's no wall, no need to change in tactics, just dakka! dakka! dakka! from 100m+ in a red dot's general direction until you run out of ammo or they die. There are pros out there who do it way better than the others can but how often do they stand out because there's no ceiling to separate the scrubs from the elite?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 425	Posted - 2013.05.04 09:16:00 - [4] - Quote In before some AR tryhard comes in here spouting about how we all have a weak gun game, HTFU, or whatever generic nonsense. In before IMP trolling too.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 462	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:48:00 - [5] - Quote The elephant in the room goes ignored once again...
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 545	Posted - 2013.05.08 09:40:00 - [6] - Quote Elephant in the room still went ignored when everything else took a hit. Why am I not surprised?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 553	Posted - 2013.05.08 10:56:00 - [7] - Quote Eh, it's not as bad as CoD... yet. But nerfiing everything but the AR was just foul play. Either ramp the damage up to what everything else used to be, or nerf the AR. Stop the favoritism CCP. Having an OP AR might bring in the CoDboys, but the people that have been here since day one are going to be here for the long haul. Do I have to QQ to get something done? Seemed to work for everyone QQing about the HMG.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 568	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:57:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: First of all, it doesn't snipe, especially with the removal of sharpshooter. Secondly, its a weapon that does everything well, but doesn't outdo weapons at their job. Mass driver (before the unneeded nerf) - Best area denial. Infantry removal - Any weapon? lol Sniping - Snipers and lasers About the HMG: Its getting a buff, CCP said so themselves, it will probably come in a close downtime. OP was before Uprising. AR should be the standard of damage that all the other weapons deal until the other racial rifles come out and they can be scaled to their respective damage types. (EM, Kinetic, and Hybrid) Instead the AR is intentionally a cut above the rest in utility and damage. Every other weapon has been nerfed in some way to the point that they can't compete with "old reliable." Just look at how many ARs are being used right now. I'm a mass driver user and I can't even suppress the enemy like I'm supposed to because the splash radius and damage took a hit. I could probably **** further and deal more damage than the HMG, and other weapons have their respective issues. What's the point of weapon diversity if the AR is held up on some kind of pedestal of favoritism? What happened to counter play?