You, or anyone out there that thinks like you are going to be the death of this game or any game in general. You are the locusts that destroy innovative thinking until everything plays into your favor. Then you get bored and move on. Hurry up and get bored with Dust 514 so people can have fun again.

Call me a neckbeard that can't see his own **** or whatever else you want in an overly long and pointless wall of text with your underlinings, lists, or other attempts at e-thugging. I don't give a **** anymore. Just go away!

The vote had absolutely no effect whatsoever on AFK farming.

The only thing that would have possibly changed had we voted for the " IMPs officially endorsed option" might have been that all the AFK farmers would have AFK farmed until they hit the cap and then if they wanted to grind after that they would have commenced to grind.

Which is exactly the situation we are already in.

Good to see you guys are all "on message" but whoever it was that came up with the "you voted yes on AFK farming! this is all your fault" campaign is bad at propaganda and should feel bad. Or they just not very bright and didn't understand the vote. The only people to blame for AFK farming are the people that do it.

If you remove the SP cap entirely you basically allow people to AFK farm for as long as they want.

Funny thing is, protoman is right when he argues that the way to fix AFK farming active SP gain is to just make it active SP gain. Get rid of SP gain for tie spent in game.

But this will only work if there is PVE content and sure, like you said, some better rewards for support roles like pilots.

The reason why people want to stop AFKing is so you'll be too busy actually playing the game instead of trying to warrior these forums.

TL;DR QQ some more. We told you this would happen if you chose to go ahead with time in game mechanic was a underpinning to the arguments in that thread more than voting for option 5 itself. The major counter being flip the reward by making it 1WP=5SP and 1s=1WP or some variation on those numbers.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52633&find=unread.

Create a booster that allows for players who want to not grind to convert all their active to passive(something that will be up for trade on market when it drops), if they still want to log on then they can earn the soft cap rate which should be boosted higher and earn more since its a booster. (or some hybrid of this and the current active(serves as an accelerator) and passive(serves as idle) which allows full passive on a 30, 90 and perhaps one day 365 basis and active play allows one to grind that full amount earned during that (30,90 365 timeframe through active play) after which only Soft cap is earned(again make it unlimited but throttled by xWP=zSP)

Remove the cap or loosen the throttle. Give DS pilots logi type WP bonuses(see body for details i bolded it), Remove the 1s=5WP mechanic since the only real reason is for DS pilots and new players who cant earn WP. Make the xWP=xSP larger.

Do more 3x SP events, specifically tying them to merc events like "caldari prime" to really get login numbers high and get more ppl to do those events(2 birds 1 stone).

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HTFU!

No seriously we told everyone this would happen. More importantly the time in game mechanic was a underpinning to the arguments in that thread more than voting for option 5 itself. The major counter being flip the reward by making it 1WP=5SP and 1s=1WP or some variation on those numbers.


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52633&find=unread

Instead we get QQ over banning these players for "exploiting" a system that rewards the behaviour. Its human nature to do the least amount of work to get the most amount of result (its the underpinning of why communism fails because people are inherently fighting entropy by expending the least amount of energy possible).

When a system gives you a marginally higher rate of return for actively playing the game as it does just loading it up and sitting in the MCC freeing you up to go and do something else the answer becomes obvious what to do.

Has chinese bot farmers not taught you anything.


Then we get lets make it all passive fail suggestions. Yea that will work over well with FPS players who want to powergrind and level up its the nature of the genre, to unlock as much content as possible to enjoy 100% of the games offerings.

This whole AFK bit is a symptom of a larger issue, yes the grind is a grind but CCP has not given us an intelligent way to enjoy the grind or make it feel like its worth the added effort(human beings require incentives to do acts and when you take away those incentives you take away the drive.) I still maintain grinds are needless time sinks but at least make a way to incentivize players to want to do it.

The clear solution was to make a booster that allows active to be earned as passive and open up the throttle a bit on the soft cap. People play through the burnout stages of a game if they have more things worth grinding for. But when you throttle it there is no more incentive to grind. If you take it away alltogether then people stop playing and sit and let the game develop their character for them. (it will also result in multiple PSN accounts all running passive SP characters, hell id start with 10 and let 9 of them sit for the year).

You need to also loosen the throttle on the soft cap so people who want to power grind can and will actually go out and earn those WP's since the only way to get them is to play.(or some hybrid of this and the current active(serves as an accelerator) and passive(serves as idle) which allows full passive on a 30, 90 and perhaps one day 365 basis and active play allows one to grind that full amount earned during that (30,90 365 timeframe through active play) after which only Soft cap is earned(again make it unlimited but throttled by xWP=zSP)

The caveat is this current system is in place to help out DS pilots since like Logibros prior to this build have no real way to earn SP short of squashing people with their dropship.(they need vehicle kill assist bonues and troop transport bonuses, and perhaps extend the assist for a 30s timer post dropoff to really make them worhtwhile). Once youve done this you can eliminate the 1S=5SP mechanism and open up the 1WP=xSP portion of the active gain both on hardcap(should just go away or be larger).


If the 3x SP event has taught us anything this game is about gaining SP because SP=stronger, more versatile, more powerful characters.

They need to have these events more often. I suggested they be done for major FW events to drive the base to login and to participate in those events to really drive "caldari prime" type events and seriously inflate the numbers to influence the outcome.

Oh. This guys again.

Still no dislike button CCP?

You note how i talk about the removal of the 1s=5WP and how to address one of the major reason for its purpose(lack of DS WP bonuses).

Yes it still creates issue for new players who just cant earn WP to save their lives. But a booster that provides skill that takes the active portion and converts it to fully passive helps to mitigate that as well.

So yea the option 5 thing wasnt the best point but it had more to do with the full weights of the arguments provided in that voting thread that i linked. I'll amend the post to reflect that.

Thanks for the positive feedback

Wait, what happens when positive feedback and negative-feedback meet in the same thread!?!

Yeah, there was a lot of hand wringing in the voting thread. Completely forgot what I voted for at this point. SP is over rated and it will be great to see other tangible goals (like owning districts) for players to work toward in Uprising.

Hopefully your ministry of propaganda did not have their feelings hurt by my use of old man, get off my lawn, is bad feel bad meme, forum battle technique number 37...

I still firmly believe the most simple and easy solution for AFK farming is to remove any ability to gain WP for a player inside redline. Simple as that. This will also solve redline sniping and railtank problem. Who care if they go AFK or SP farming with whatever method they come up with inside battlefield as long as I can hunt them down and kill them.

Those who against this idea will be those who claim they help their team fight back by sniping inside redline hiding behind game mechanic. I would encourage them to instead go out and try to take objective back and actually help the team.

While I do agree that ppl could HTFU and live without SP cap. I couldn't see it fix AFK farming. ppl will, instead of AFK until cap, AFK indefinitely.