DUST Search - CCP: Why should I grind for my SP when AFkers get it for free?

Sentient Archon wrote:

Prius Vecht wrote:

Tolen Rosas wrote:

Sentient Archon wrote:

Reiki Jubo wrote:

why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %.

you no fight, you no play.

Nope! You are wrong. PC is a free for all. Go do you reading son. And anyone can sign on for FW;- at an individual, corp or alliance level.

Instant battles are for pubs.

You would know this if you actually played the game Lol

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Choo choo! Another check in for dumdum central! Paging Reiki Jubo! Paging Reiki Jubo!

You AFK more than anyone in Dust and remark to someone else about playing the game? #irony

not a very smart bloke is he?

There is something called player stats in Dust. Add me as a contact and check it out. I have over 6500 kills before skirmish stats got hosed and a KD of 9.05. I know enough about this game to know that you are all non factors. Enjoy!

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Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:31:00 - [1] - Quote so someone needs to explain to me why I should grind for my SP when AFKers get it for doing nothing? well?
Chris F2112 187. 97	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote HTFU.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 46	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:33:00 - [3] - Quote Because it's a game. You play it because you enjoy it, or you do something else.
DustMercsBlog Galactic News Network 64	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:35:00 - [4] - Quote we happen to agree with you. seems like there should be so many solutions. it really breaks the game from a lore aspect. no employer would pay anyone not named the MCC Commander to sit inside the MCC the entire match. where are the AWOL reports on a mercs employment history? why dont zero actions result in zero SP and withheld ISK payout? why arent the clones of mercs that refuse to deploy deactivated?
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1139	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:37:00 - [5] - Quote DustMercsBlog wrote: we happen to agree with you. seems like there should be so many solutions. it really breaks the game from a lore aspect. no employer would pay anyone not named the MCC Commander to sit inside the MCC the entire match. where are the AWOL reports on a mercs employment history? why dont zero actions result in zero SP and withheld ISK payout? why arent the clones of mercs that refuse to deploy deactivated? LOL. Once PC comes in and corps esblish themselves what other corps think about them wont matter.
OgTheEnigma Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 109	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:38:00 - [6] - Quote Currently you earn 5 SP for every one second you spend in game and 1 SP for every WP you earn. It should be 1 SP for every second and 5 SP for every WP.
Zaria Min Deir Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:44:00 - [7] - Quote OgTheEnigma wrote: Currently you earn 5 SP for every one second you spend in game and 1 SP for every WP you earn. It should be 1 SP for every second and 5 SP for every WP. Word.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:46:00 - [8] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: DustMercsBlog wrote: we happen to agree with you. seems like there should be so many solutions. it really breaks the game from a lore aspect. no employer would pay anyone not named the MCC Commander to sit inside the MCC the entire match. where are the AWOL reports on a mercs employment history? why dont zero actions result in zero SP and withheld ISK payout? why arent the clones of mercs that refuse to deploy deactivated? LOL. Once PC comes in and corps esblish themselves what other corps think about them wont matter. why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %. you no fight, you no play.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1139	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:47:00 - [9] - Quote Interesting fact. i could AFK, get around 23-27k SP. When I actually play, get my 5-6 kills cuz of boring redlines and unbalanced teams, I get 18-21k SP. I did this last night. Now, what incentive is there to play, when I get LESS SP for actually playing? Then I jumped into Ambush OMS, play for about 8-13 minutes a game, and got 15-18k SP. So I can play a boring as hell redline Skirmish and get around the same SP as playing OMS, a game mode i have no interest in playing, OR I can AFK and get more SP on avg. How does this make sense?
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1141	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:48:00 - [10] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %. you no fight, you no play. Nope! You are wrong. PC is a free for all. Go do you reading son. And anyone can sign on for FW;- at an individual, corp or alliance level. Instant battles are for pubs. You would know this if you actually played the game . Choo choo! Another check in for dumdum central! Paging Reiki Jubo! Paging Reiki Jubo!

crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1085	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:51:00 - [11] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Because it's a game. You play it because you enjoy it, or you do something else. this is why getting the victory screen also means nothing, because it's a game rolls eyes
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:52:00 - [12] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %. you no fight, you no play. Nope! You are wrong. PC is a free for all. Go do you reading son. And anyone can sign on for FW;- at an individual, corp or alliance level. Instant battles are for pubs. You would know this if you actually played the game . Choo choo! Another check in for dumdum central! Paging Reiki Jubo! Paging Reiki Jubo! i'm talking about how it should be. not how it is. AFKers have changed the way it works. u cant trust mercs to fulfill their contract anymore. learn2read.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1141	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:57:00 - [13] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: i'm talking about how it should be. not how it is. AFKers have changed the way it works. u cant trust mercs to fulfill their contract anymore. learn2read. Shouda woulda coulda. That's not how it is. So boo hoo!
DustMercsBlog Galactic News Network 64	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:59:00 - [14] - Quote Remove all the SP they have gotten from being AFK. If they do it again BAN THEM.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1143	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:00:00 - [15] - Quote DustMercsBlog wrote: Remove all the SP they have gotten from being AFK. If they do it again BAN THEM. LOL that's more than 75% of the Dust gamer base. GL with that one
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:08:00 - [16] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %. you no fight, you no play. Nope! You are wrong. PC is a free for all. Go do you reading son. And anyone can sign on for FW;- at an individual, corp or alliance level. Instant battles are for pubs. You would know this if you actually played the game . Choo choo! Another check in for dumdum central! Paging Reiki Jubo! Paging Reiki Jubo! You AFK more than anyone in Dust and remark to someone else about playing the game? #irony
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:10:00 - [17] - Quote You aren't rewarded SP based upon how you perform in battle. It's mainly rewarded for simply participating in the battle. This is why people AFK. You aren't really "grinding" for SP. If you were in fact grinding for SP you would have to kill *****, and be an overall awesome player, but the carebears would cry is CCP rewarded alpha players for being an alpha.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:34:00 - [18] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %. you no fight, you no play. Nope! You are wrong. PC is a free for all. Go do you reading son. And anyone can sign on for FW;- at an individual, corp or alliance level. Instant battles are for pubs. You would know this if you actually played the game . Choo choo! Another check in for dumdum central! Paging Reiki Jubo! Paging Reiki Jubo! You AFK more than anyone in Dust and remark to someone else about playing the game? #irony not a very smart bloke is he?
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1085	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:42:00 - [19] - Quote OgTheEnigma wrote: Currently you earn 5 SP for every one second you spend in game and 1 SP for every WP you earn. It should be 1 SP for every second and 5 SP for every WP. EXACTLY!!!
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 159	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:42:00 - [20] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: DustMercsBlog wrote: Remove all the SP they have gotten from being AFK. If they do it again BAN THEM. LOL that's more than 75% of the Dust gamer base. GL with that one Not likely. What I see is a very vocal minority of obsessive-compulsives, with a very vocal minority railing against their obsessive-compulsive practice. Banning, however, isn't the answer. And removing the SP they've gained from AFK'ing is probably not only impossible from a data perspective, it's also not as just a solution as some people think it is. There are several ways CCP can fix this problem, including methods that don't even address it directly. They say they've got something coming in Uprising, and I'm willing to give it a shot before making any more suggestions about fixes. That said, I like where Reiki Jubo was going with the idea of tracking statistics. Having statistical indicators to suggest a player's reliability (or lack thereof) for hiring purposes could be valuable information, not just because of the AFK problem, but because actions have consequences. If one out of every four kills you get is a team kill, a prospective employer should know that about you.

Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1145	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:43:00 - [21] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Tolen Rosas wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %. you no fight, you no play. Nope! You are wrong. PC is a free for all. Go do you reading son. And anyone can sign on for FW;- at an individual, corp or alliance level. Instant battles are for pubs. You would know this if you actually played the game . Choo choo! Another check in for dumdum central! Paging Reiki Jubo! Paging Reiki Jubo! You AFK more than anyone in Dust and remark to someone else about playing the game? #irony not a very smart bloke is he? There is something called player stats in Dust. Add me as a contact and check it out. I have over 6500 kills before skirmish stats got hosed and a KD of 9.05. I know enough about this game to know that you are all non factors. Enjoy!
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1085	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:43:00 - [22] - Quote Protoman Is God wrote: You aren't rewarded SP based upon how you perform in battle. It's mainly rewarded for simply participating in the battle. This is why people AFK. You aren't really "grinding" for SP. If you were in fact grinding for SP you would have to kill *****, and be an overall awesome player, but the carebears would cry is CCP rewarded alpha players for being an alpha. Why do yo think it's the alpha players trying to make a point... we want sp to based on skill...
Jin Robot Polar Gooks 371	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:45:00 - [23] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: OgTheEnigma wrote: Currently you earn 5 SP for every one second you spend in game and 1 SP for every WP you earn. It should be 1 SP for every second and 5 SP for every WP. Word. But then wouldnt we be back to armor rep farmers?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1341	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:50:00 - [24] - Quote I had a lengthy essay on this issue. You should be paying money to not grind, instead you just get more SP yet still have to log in and "no life" it to get full value. This is a very big issue I have with the monetization of this game.
Pryke Bastion GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 22	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:52:00 - [25] - Quote OgTheEnigma wrote: Currently you earn 5 SP for every one second you spend in game and 1 SP for every WP you earn. It should be 1 SP for every second and 5 SP for every WP. -1 From this guy, breaks the system worse. Already responded here: Why 5SP per WP is broken. Seriously gotta stop having seven threads on the same topic. I'm tired of chasing this one down lol. Pryke out.
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 87	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:55:00 - [26] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: I had a lengthy essay on this issue. You should be paying money to not grind, instead you just get more SP yet still have to log in and "no life" it to get full value. This is a very big issue I have with the monetization of this game. Back during the original vote on the SP system I told people they'll never get their money's worth out of the "active boosters"
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:56:00 - [27] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Prius Vecht wrote: Tolen Rosas wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: why you gonna AFK in PC too? doubt it. Point is, you still will have to get hired by a faction or employer for instant battles and player contracts will be here at some point. AFK when the Goons hire you and watch how that turns out. no npc employer should compensate you for not fighting and I would like to see some contracts restricted by AWOL or Desertion %. you no fight, you no play. Nope! You are wrong. PC is a free for all. Go do you reading son. And anyone can sign on for FW;- at an individual, corp or alliance level. Instant battles are for pubs. You would know this if you actually played the game . Choo choo! Another check in for dumdum central! Paging Reiki Jubo! Paging Reiki Jubo! You AFK more than anyone in Dust and remark to someone else about playing the game? #irony not a very smart bloke is he? There is something called player stats in Dust. Add me as a contact and check it out. I have over 6500 kills before skirmish stats got hosed and a KD of 9.05. I know enough about this game to know that you are all non factors. Enjoy! Tell me how that means the slightest bit of difference when you dont play. I saw a guy on the leaderboards with a KDR of 346 (thats 38 times yours) with a W-L ration of .92, by your logic you are a non factor to him I suppose?
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1146	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:58:00 - [28] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Tell me how that means the slightest bit of difference when you dont play. I saw a guy on the leaderboards with a KDR of 346 (thats 38 times yours) with a W-L ration of .92, by your logic you are a non factor to him I suppose? Paging Prius Vecht! Paging Prius Vecht! Your brains are still at dumdum central. Please come and collect them at your earliest convenience.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1341	Posted - 2013.05.02 20:00:00 - [29] - Quote Protoman Is God wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: I had a lengthy essay on this issue. You should be paying money to not grind, instead you just get more SP yet still have to log in and "no life" it to get full value. This is a very big issue I have with the monetization of this game. Back during the original vote on the SP system I told people they'll never get their money's worth out of the "active boosters" I would love your feedback on my discussion on problems I find with the skill progression system. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71470&find=unread It is quite wordy and rambling.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 95	Posted - 2013.05.02 20:01:00 - [30] - Quote To address the title of the thread... Because if you are going to stop playing because other folks are gaming the system you are a whiny puss.



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