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Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:02:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:I had a lengthy essay on this issue. You should be paying money to not grind, instead you just get more SP yet still have to log in and "no life" it to get full value. This is a very big issue I have with the monetization of this game. Back during the original vote on the SP system I told people they'll never get their money's worth out of the "active boosters" I would love your feedback on my discussion on problems I find with the skill progression system. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71470&find=unreadIt is quite wordy and rambling.
bout to read through it all  |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:10:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:To address the title of the thread...
Because if you are going to stop playing because other folks are gaming the system you are a whiny puss.
Or you can just AFK like them. Wait, now everyone is in the MCC and no one is actually playing? talk about fun. |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:12:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:
Tell me how that means the slightest bit of difference when you dont play.
I saw a guy on the leaderboards with a KDR of 346 (thats 38 times yours) with a W-L ration of .92, by your logic you are a non factor to him I suppose?
Paging Prius Vecht! Paging Prius Vecht! Your brains are still at dumdum central. Please come and collect them at your earliest convenience. 
Are you certain? Or is it because your "my KDR means im a bigshot" argument got shot to pieces? My money is on the latter. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
95
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:21:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Crash Monster wrote:To address the title of the thread...
Because if you are going to stop playing because other folks are gaming the system you are a whiny puss. Or you can just AFK like them. Wait, now everyone is in the MCC and no one is actually playing? talk about fun.
I'd consider that a "stop playing" event. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
129
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:28:00 -
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Remember you said this if CCP takes away your ill-gotten SP. |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
224
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:35:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:so someone needs to explain to me why I should grind for my SP when AFKers get it for doing nothing? well?
Well I dont think they get anything at all... Thats my opinion since I dont AFK farm in the MCC.. Seriously the most pointless thing to do.... You play a game just to sit there.... Yea O.K |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
112
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:43:00 -
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Pryke Bastion wrote:OgTheEnigma wrote:Currently you earn 5 SP for every one second you spend in game and 1 SP for every WP you earn. It should be 1 SP for every second and 5 SP for every WP. -1 From this guy, breaks the system worse. Already responded here: Why 5SP per WP is broken.Seriously gotta stop having seven threads on the same topic. I'm tired of chasing this one down lol. Pryke out.
I think there's a few ways around the problems of newbies not being able to compete and earn enough warpoints. A system where 1 WP = 5 SP, and 1 second = 2 or 3 WP could still work. It does bring a slightly higher potential for AFK farming, but there's at least a much better incentive for mercs to get out of the MCC and play the game. Of course better players would still earn SP quite a lot faster, but this earning potential is ultimately limited by the weekly cap. If anything, there should be higher SP rewards for playing better so players always have something to strive towards (this is partly why I'm opposed to the soft cap being limited to 1000 SP as well).
My personal preferred method for helping newer players earn SP is to give them a multiplier until they reach a certain amount. Something along the lines of a permanent 3x multiplier until they reach 2 or 3 million SP, then it goes back down to 1x. Naturally this would be increased to 4.5x if they use an active booster (CCP have got to make money from this after all). |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2013.05.02 21:19:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:DustMercsBlog wrote:Remove all the SP they have gotten from being AFK. If they do it again BAN THEM. LOL that's more than 75% of the Dust gamer base. GL with that one  Not likely. What I see is a very vocal minority of obsessive-compulsives, with a very vocal minority railing against their obsessive-compulsive practice. Banning, however, isn't the answer. And removing the SP they've gained from AFK'ing is probably not only impossible from a data perspective, it's also not as just a solution as some people think it is. There are several ways CCP can fix this problem, including methods that don't even address it directly. They say they've got something coming in Uprising, and I'm willing to give it a shot before making any more suggestions about fixes. That said, I like where Reiki Jubo was going with the idea of tracking statistics. Having statistical indicators to suggest a player's reliability (or lack thereof) for hiring purposes could be valuable information, not just because of the AFK problem, but because actions have consequences. If one out of every four kills you get is a team kill, a prospective employer should know that about you.
+1 to this. let them AFK all they like, along with kicking them out of games and zero ISK we want AWOL and Desertion Occurrences tracked on their permanent file. Give us a % too. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
28
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Posted - 2013.05.02 21:35:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:so someone needs to explain to me why I should grind for my SP when AFKers get it for doing nothing? well?
You shouldn't. You should go AFK with the others. There is clearly no SP incentive at the moment.
The only reasons to continue to play are:
- you actually enjoy the game
- you feel a duty or desire to help your team win matches
- you need the practice
+1 for stat tracking.
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Pryke Bastion
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
24
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Posted - 2013.05.02 22:01:00 -
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OgTheEnigma wrote:Pryke Bastion wrote:OgTheEnigma wrote:Currently you earn 5 SP for every one second you spend in game and 1 SP for every WP you earn. It should be 1 SP for every second and 5 SP for every WP. -1 From this guy, breaks the system worse. Already responded here: Why 5SP per WP is broken.Seriously gotta stop having seven threads on the same topic. I'm tired of chasing this one down lol. Pryke out. I think there's a few ways around the problems of newbies not being able to compete and earn enough warpoints. A system where 1 WP = 5 SP, and 1 second = 2 or 3 WP could still work. It does bring a slightly higher potential for AFK farming, but there's at least a much better incentive for mercs to get out of the MCC and play the game. Of course better players would still earn SP quite a lot faster, but this earning potential is ultimately limited by the weekly cap. If anything, there should be higher SP rewards for playing better so players always have something to strive towards (this is partly why I'm opposed to the soft cap being limited to 1000 SP as well). My personal preferred method for helping newer players earn SP is to give them a multiplier until they reach a certain amount. Something along the lines of a permanent 3x multiplier until they reach 2 or 3 million SP, then it goes back down to 1x. Naturally this would be increased to 4.5x if they use an active booster (CCP have got to make money from this after all).
+1 for the idea of bonus SP for newbies. 3 million SP sounds like a good number.
Bonus SP on WP, bad idea.
also +1 for better stat tracking, hold those mercs accountable ^_^ |
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