DUST Search - So tanking is pretty much kittened in uprising

BobThe843CakeMan wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

If Enforcers aren't the only top-level tank, and Marauders come back, this might not be as bad as it sounds.

Give Marauders a built-in damage resist instead of the damage buffs on the Enforcers - something like +2% armour resistance per level on the Surya, while the Sagaris gets a 3% increase to shield regen rate. Not exact numbers, just made them up on the spot, but you can see the point.

Also, sounds like a well-fitted Gunnlogi or Madrugar will be pretty evenly matched against either Enforcer. Build one tank to be a tank and the other to be a glass cannon, and it's going to make the fights a lot more interesting. Particularly considering people were getting broken damage numbers because of Railgun skills being incorrectly applied, so if that's fixed, they won't be one-shotting and two-shotting well-fitted enemy tanks any more, so you'll have to actually EARN your kills against enemy vehicles.

they r the only top level tank when this build comes out. there r only 2 tanks the gunnlogi and the new enforcer tank. Which btw will be a terrible glass cannon cause it doesn't have enough cpu to hold 3 damage mods so wats the point. unless u use missiles or want to railgun snipe cause of zoom bonus.

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slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 595	Posted - 2013.05.02 17:55:00 - [1] - Quote Lets look at shield tanking Enforcer FalchionSagarisGunnlogi shield 2k shield 3120 shield 2600 armor 770 armor 1000 armor 1000 shield recharge 22/2 shield recharge 24hp/s shield recharge 22hp/s CPU 320 CPU 365 CPU 330 PG 1805 PG 1840 PG 1805 high powered 5 high powered 5 high powered 5 low powered 3 low powered 3 low powered 2 Then to add insult to injury the enforcer skill only gives you a 3% damage bonus per lvl where the marauder skill gave you a 4% damage bonus per lvl. Not to mention that these damage skills do not effect Railgun tankers at all. To me there is no point to move up into an enforcer tank when the Gunnlogi will get the job done. Why would anyone want to get into higher teir tanking? Congratz CCP you have nerfed tanking again
JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 396	Posted - 2013.05.02 17:59:00 - [2] - Quote yup GG CCP, can't even call it tanking anymore. The new 'tanks' are just expensive redline snipers. Glad to see CCP read the feedback sections
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 98	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:01:00 - [3] - Quote slap26 wrote: Lets look at shield tanking Enforcer FalchionSagarisGunnlogi shield 2k shield 3120 shield 2600 armor 770 armor 1000 armor 1000 shield recharge 22/2 shield recharge 24hp/s shield recharge 22hp/s CPU 320 CPU 365 CPU 330 PG 1805 PG 1840 PG 1805 high powered 5 high powered 5 high powered 5 low powered 3 low powered 3 low powered 2 Then to add insult to injury the enforcer skill only gives you a 3% damage bonus per lvl where the marauder skill gave you a 4% damage bonus per lvl. Not to mention that these damage skills do not effect Railgun tankers at all. To me there is no point to move up into an enforcer tank when the Gunnlogi will get the job done. Why would anyone want to get into higher teir tanking? Congratz CCP you have nerfed tanking again You can see me with Amarr Assault dropsuit with lasers and OP flaylock from now on.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 357	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:01:00 - [4] - Quote So....I sort of remember squad based bonuses to tanks? IDK if it was a weird Dust dream or what but this could make a huge difference... Don't quote me but I'll search the forums for it.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 595	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote If you thought getting solo'd by proto AV was bad now, next build we don't have a tank that can stand up to proto AV
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1139	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:08:00 - [6] - Quote Hey what's wrong with glass cannons that get a bonus from Blasters :P ...It's such a contradiction lol
Gaus Penfield S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement 9	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:13:00 - [7] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: You can see me with Amarr Assault dropsuit with lasers and OP flaylock from now on. You, me, and half the population of New Eden.
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:20:00 - [8] - Quote Gaus Penfield wrote: BOZ MR wrote: You can see me with Amarr Assault dropsuit with lasers and OP flaylock from now on. You, me, and half the population of New Eden. The other half played Eve and know how jumping on the Fit Of The Week turns out in the long run.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 637	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:22:00 - [9] - Quote hehehehe.... he... Well, at least when they finally get around to unnerfing tanks in a year or two I'll be one of the very few people who bothered going dedicated tanker, with the SP advantage that will give. As an EVE player I'm used to waiting years.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 596	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:22:00 - [10] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: Gaus Penfield wrote: BOZ MR wrote: You can see me with Amarr Assault dropsuit with lasers and OP flaylock from now on. You, me, and half the population of New Eden. The other half played Eve and know how jumping on the Fit Of The Week turns out in the long run. This has nothing to do with the OP

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2665	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:00:00 - [11] - Quote If Enforcers aren't the only top-level tank, and Marauders come back, this might not be as bad as it sounds. Give Marauders a built-in damage resist instead of the damage buffs on the Enforcers - something like +2% armour resistance per level on the Surya, while the Sagaris gets a 3% increase to shield regen rate. Not exact numbers, just made them up on the spot, but you can see the point. Also, sounds like a well-fitted Gunnlogi or Madrugar will be pretty evenly matched against either Enforcer. Build one tank to be a tank and the other to be a glass cannon, and it's going to make the fights a lot more interesting. Particularly considering people were getting broken damage numbers because of Railgun skills being incorrectly applied, so if that's fixed, they won't be one-shotting and two-shotting well-fitted enemy tanks any more, so you'll have to actually EARN your kills against enemy vehicles.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 868	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:02:00 - [12] - Quote slap26 wrote: If you thought getting solo'd by proto AV was bad now, next build we don't have a tank that can stand up to proto AV From the look of it all I need is a Flaylock Pistol and I will own your tank (in Uprising)... who needs AV.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 228	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:02:00 - [13] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If Enforcers aren't the only top-level tank, and Marauders come back, this might not be as bad as it sounds. Give Marauders a built-in damage resist instead of the damage buffs on the Enforcers - something like +2% armour resistance per level on the Surya, while the Sagaris gets a 3% increase to shield regen rate. Not exact numbers, just made them up on the spot, but you can see the point. Also, sounds like a well-fitted Gunnlogi or Madrugar will be pretty evenly matched against either Enforcer. Build one tank to be a tank and the other to be a glass cannon, and it's going to make the fights a lot more interesting. Particularly considering people were getting broken damage numbers because of Railgun skills being incorrectly applied, so if that's fixed, they won't be one-shotting and two-shotting well-fitted enemy tanks any more, so you'll have to actually EARN your kills against enemy vehicles. they r the only top level tank when this build comes out. there r only 2 tanks the gunnlogi and the new enforcer tank. Which btw will be a terrible glass cannon cause it doesn't have enough cpu to hold 3 damage mods so wats the point. unless u use missiles or want to railgun snipe cause of zoom bonus.
Casius Hakoke Fenrir's Wolves 96	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:06:00 - [14] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If Enforcers aren't the only top-level tank, and Marauders come back, this might not be as bad as it sounds. Give Marauders a built-in damage resist instead of the damage buffs on the Enforcers - something like +2% armour resistance per level on the Surya, while the Sagaris gets a 3% increase to shield regen rate. Not exact numbers, just made them up on the spot, but you can see the point. +1 This is something I have kind of been thinking of as well. Plus, I hate saying this, but the numbers for the STD tanks might not be the same in uprising, the enforcer tanks might actually be an upgrade from STD tanks. I really hope not, but its a possibility.
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 106	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:11:00 - [15] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If Enforcers aren't the only top-level tank, and Marauders come back, this might not be as bad as it sounds. Give Marauders a built-in damage resist instead of the damage buffs on the Enforcers - something like +2% armour resistance per level on the Surya, while the Sagaris gets a 3% increase to shield regen rate. Not exact numbers, just made them up on the spot, but you can see the point. Also, sounds like a well-fitted Gunnlogi or Madrugar will be pretty evenly matched against either Enforcer. Build one tank to be a tank and the other to be a glass cannon, and it's going to make the fights a lot more interesting. Particularly considering people were getting broken damage numbers because of Railgun skills being incorrectly applied, so if that's fixed, they won't be one-shotting and two-shotting well-fitted enemy tanks any more, so you'll have to actually EARN your kills against enemy vehicles. they r the only top level tank when this build comes out. there r only 2 tanks the gunnlogi and the new enforcer tank. Which btw will be a terrible glass cannon cause it doesn't have enough cpu to hold 3 damage mods so wats the point. unless u use missiles or want to railgun snipe cause of zoom bonus. Zoom zoom zoooooom.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 598	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:12:00 - [16] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If Enforcers aren't the only top-level tank, and Marauders come back, this might not be as bad as it sounds. Give Marauders a built-in damage resist instead of the damage buffs on the Enforcers - something like +2% armour resistance per level on the Surya, while the Sagaris gets a 3% increase to shield regen rate. Not exact numbers, just made them up on the spot, but you can see the point. Also, sounds like a well-fitted Gunnlogi or Madrugar will be pretty evenly matched against either Enforcer. Build one tank to be a tank and the other to be a glass cannon, and it's going to make the fights a lot more interesting. Particularly considering people were getting broken damage numbers because of Railgun skills being incorrectly applied, so if that's fixed, they won't be one-shotting and two-shotting well-fitted enemy tanks any more, so you'll have to actually EARN your kills against enemy vehicles. gunnlogi will still eat up either of the "enforcer" tanks, why waste the SP into anything higher?
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 98	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:14:00 - [17] - Quote slap26 wrote: Lets look at shield tanking Enforcer Falchion shield 2k armor 770 shield recharge 22/2 CPU 320 PG 1805 high powered 5 low powered 3 Sagaris shield 3120 armor 1000 shield recharge 24hp/s CPU 365 PG 1840 high powered 5 low powered 3 Gunnlogi shield 2600 armor 1000 shield recharge 22hp/s CPU 330 PG 1805 high powered 5 low powered 2 Then to add insult to injury the enforcer skill only gives you a 3% damage bonus per lvl where the marauder skill gave you a 4% damage bonus per lvl. Not to mention that these damage skills do not effect Railgun tankers at all. To me there is no point to move up into an enforcer tank when the Gunnlogi will get the job done. Why would anyone want to get into higher teir tanking? Congratz CCP you have nerfed tanking again Edit: all info was smashed together for some reason You can snipe 11 pixel instead of 10 , just for 4,600,000 SP and an extra 1M isk. Imagine this part is small since we dont want you to see, New tanks are applicable to reduced PG, CPU, Armor and Shield.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 600	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:56:00 - [18] - Quote Once Uprising comes out and we all see how tanks are kittened, any other tank drivers want to play World of Tanks with me?
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 191	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:58:00 - [19] - Quote Where is this info even coming from. Do you know what the modules are like? Or if there are more skills that benefit HAV's?
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2013.05.02 20:06:00 - [20] - Quote Good work CCP! Now my proto railgun Gunnlogi will have even juicier kills in two shots! Awesome balance! But seriously, this is ridiculous. Tanks are becoming pinnatas now where everyone wants a hit at it and pops easily for high rewards.

BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 101	Posted - 2013.05.02 20:52:00 - [21] - Quote slap26 wrote: Once Uprising comes out and we all see how tanks are kittened, any other tank drivers want to play World of Tanks with me? Count me in.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 299	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:03:00 - [22] - Quote slap26 wrote: Congratz CCP you have nerfed tanking again Don't worry slap, according to Ironwolf the CPM is working hard. Hard to nerf the turrets too that is. Apparently they cannot hit infantry with railguns in this build, but some can in the next. Therefore, it is an "OP" anti-infantry gun. I'm glad we have some guys who are bad @ HAVs attempting to balance them.
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 98	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:06:00 - [23] - Quote when you guys get your pilot suits you can all combine to make a mega-zord though?
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:08:00 - [24] - Quote Honestly I didn't want tankers getting nerfed, but this should at least reduce the amount going into Ambush, so meh.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1308	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:09:00 - [25] - Quote Tanking seems kinda pointless to me now. So why exactly should i again spec into them when its even harder as its allready is?
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 237	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Tanking seems kinda pointless to me now. So why exactly should i again spec into them when its even harder as its allready is? bragging rights.
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1260	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:20:00 - [27] - Quote I don't understand all this tank QQ. I run a Madrugar on my alt, and I find it more than great, plus I haven't even gotten the best mods for it yet, so it will only get better. I am correct that they are not removing the STD tanks? Last I checked all you tankers were whining that the Surya/Sagaris tanks weren't cost efficient anyways, now you are crying that you don't have them anymore.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 899	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:25:00 - [28] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I don't understand all this tank QQ. I run a Madrugar on my alt, and I find it more than great, plus I haven't even gotten the best mods for it yet, so it will only get better. I am correct that they are not removing the STD tanks? Last I checked all you tankers were whining that the Surya/Sagaris tanks weren't cost efficient anyways, now you are crying that you don't have them anymore. Sagaris/Suryas are great vehicles, the extra slot, PG/CPU and HP make them far better than the standard but the price was extortionate, but atleast we had the option. Now it's being removed completely and we're getting the same priced vehicle, same slots but with the PG/CPU and HP of a Militia Vehicle. Tell me, as a logi bro, would you be pissed if I told you your proto suit will have every slot you need, but will have militia tier HP, CPU and PG?
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 101	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:27:00 - [29] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I don't understand all this tank QQ. I run a Madrugar on my alt, and I find it more than great, plus I haven't even gotten the best mods for it yet, so it will only get better. I am correct that they are not removing the STD tanks? Last I checked all you tankers were whining that the Surya/Sagaris tanks weren't cost efficient anyways, now you are crying that you don't have them anymore. It was the marauder skill that made my surya worth it.
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1261	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:32:00 - [30] - Quote That's a bad example, since I don't use a proto suit, plus even if the proto had standard PG/CPU, it would still be viable since logi suits have such massive PG/CPU reserves, even at the standard level. I understand the point you are trying to make, but just use the STD tanks, they can hold up against AV just fine and you won't need to worry about people with PRO tanks coming out of the woods since they are so incredibly horrible.

0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 299	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:46:00 - [31] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: That's a bad example, since I don't use a proto suit ... just use the STD tanks, they can hold up against AV just fine Hopefully this game is not getting balanced for Pub matches. If you do corp battles, you need PROTO gear. STD tanks do not stand up to AV just fine.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 905	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:03:00 - [32] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: That's a bad example, since I don't use a proto suit, plus even if the proto had standard PG/CPU, it would still be viable since logi suits have such massive PG/CPU reserves, even at the standard level. I understand the point you are trying to make, but just use the STD tanks, they can hold up against AV just fine and you won't need to worry about people with PRO tanks coming out of the woods since they are so incredibly horrible. You're right, that was a bad example, but you get the general gist of what I'm trying to say. Problem is you're basing it off of Public matches, that's the worst thing you can do. Tanks in pub matches are about as good as they get, Blasters will run around with their team trying to stomp the enemy and railguns will sit in the mountain blowing things up. What you don't have thrown into the mix is the AVers teamwork (all on mics together coordinating) and them all running proto forges. Standard Tanks as stated above me, do not stand up against proto AV, no vehicle does. Now before you tell me "Well they will if they use their infantry and use teamwork", you're wrong. I run with good players, guys that will follow everything I say and protect my tank, but even they cannot protect me from a heavy running a proto forge at range, and in a CB, why waste their time on a liability when they need to be at the objective holding it? They can't be told to go to the redline and help me kill the Proto forge gunner because every two shots he hits me with I have to run away back to the redline and wait two minutes, it's not feasible. The only tank that will survive in this game will be the redline sniper, which will be used as an Anti Vehicle tank, for killing every bolas that enters the battlefield and any tank that that's dumb enough to run blaster. The first guy with a good railgun tank with 70% view of the battlefield controls the Vehicle element of the game, and with the supposed increase range on the Enforcer Tanks? This **** is going to be dumb.
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1262	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:16:00 - [33] - Quote Quote: Standard Tanks as stated above me, do not stand up against proto AV, no vehicle does. I don't disagree with you, and the highlighted above is my reason why. The major problem with tanks isn't these new butter-tanks, but rather the power of a spec'd AV unit, or even more deadly, a group of spec'd AV units. Even Suryas now don't have the capability to survive spec'd AV groups, whether they have squad support or not. The butter-tanks are fine from my personal view, literal glass cannons, but AV is the reason why they are not applicable to battle, they will literally be OHK'd by some AV aficionados. Even though it has long been debated and cried about, I am saying that AV needs a nerf.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 383	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:14:00 - [34] - Quote Armor version has bonus the blasters Stick with the Madrugar tbh
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2013.05.03 09:55:00 - [35] - Quote I was thinking these 'Tankers' were real tough man, posting on the forums to show off their 30/0 scores. Now it appears they're just whiners who are afraid they are losing there shiny. Like a famous illustrator once said; Make every day a happy day.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 932	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:01:00 - [36] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: I was thinking these 'Tankers' were real tough man, posting on the forums to show off their 30/0 scores. Now it appears they're just whiners who are afraid they are losing there shiny. Like a famous illustrator once said; Make every day a happy day. If I made you have to wear a militia suit, but it cost the same as a proto suit, you wouldn't be happy, so sit down.
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:13:00 - [37] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Karl Koekwaus wrote: I was thinking these 'Tankers' were real tough man, posting on the forums to show off their 30/0 scores. Now it appears they're just whiners who are afraid they are losing there shiny. Like a famous illustrator once said; Make every day a happy day. If I made you have to wear a militia suit, but it cost the same as a proto suit, you wouldn't be happy, so sit down. If my militia suit could insta gib anyone on the map from 600M and seriously injure tanks in one shot, sign me up.
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 103	Posted - 2013.05.03 10:55:00 - [38] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Karl Koekwaus wrote: I was thinking these 'Tankers' were real tough man, posting on the forums to show off their 30/0 scores. Now it appears they're just whiners who are afraid they are losing there shiny. Like a famous illustrator once said; Make every day a happy day. If I made you have to wear a militia suit, but it cost the same as a proto suit, you wouldn't be happy, so sit down. If my militia suit could insta gib anyone on the map from 600M and seriously injure tanks in one shot, sign me up. No you little noob. You have to pay extra 2,2M ISK to do that. Your proto suit will perform exactly the same as militia dropsuit.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 187	Posted - 2013.05.03 12:27:00 - [39] - Quote Ok, so what if I were to tell all that I might spec into Assault Dropships?
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 942	Posted - 2013.05.03 12:28:00 - [40] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Ok, so what if I were to tell all that I might spec into Assault Dropships? I'd point and laugh.

Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.03 12:30:00 - [41] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Ok, so what if I were to tell all that I might spec into Assault Dropships? You don't even know how to properly scrape the straight pipe. Count me out of riding in your dropship.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 188	Posted - 2013.05.03 12:49:00 - [42] - Quote Protoman Is God wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Ok, so what if I were to tell all that I might spec into Assault Dropships? You don't even know how to properly scrape the straight pipe. Count me out of riding in your dropship. I find your lack of faith disturbing...


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