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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:23:00 -
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http://youtu.be/Ank3UPXNZVY
In the video I discuss the reasons people AFK and my stance on the subject. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:40:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I was actually about to make a similar video lol, good on you.
Be glad you didn't. The Dislike Patrol is gonna jack me up.
Oh well. Haha. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 16:51:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:DS 10 wrote:Be glad you didn't. The Dislike Patrol is gonna jack me up. Pffft, I couldn't care less about that, it's about time someone told them off outside of the forums
I tried to make it clear that I don't dislike them. I just hate what they do :D Big difference that seems to be overlooked. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:12:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I got through 2 minutes (sorry I couldn't make the full 8) and got the jist. It was well thought out, and laid out opinion.
Thank you. That's what I was going for. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:29:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I checked out some other videos and realized I've seen some of your other stuff.
I was wondering if you were going heavy when uprising comes out? Any thoughts on the limited info that's come out?
Definitely going all out with my heavy. I think the people that are talking about heavies being useless are overreacting to limited information that we've gotten so far. We haven't gotten our hands on the new build yet, so there's no real way to decide whether or not the heavy will be effective. I think with everyone losing Sharpshooter (range), it kinda negates the loss of range for HMGs as well. I'm staying optimistic until I'm proven otherwise. That's how everyone should be, IMO.
As far as the limited information, only having one Heavy suit still is frustrating. I feel like we're getting ignored because of so many Assault/Scout/Logi players complain about us being OP. I feel like most of the time they're just upset they lose 1v1 situations, which by all means they should. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:39:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Do I have any excuse for AFKing nope.
Why do I do it then. I would be a idiot not to take advantage of free SP while I am studying and working on projects or writing papers.
I am doing other things more important. It is easy to once in awhile look back see I am not in a game anymore put myself in one and go back to my college school work.
It is a smart thing to do. I am not going out of my way to do it. But I am not burning up time I could spend on school work.
Do people have ligit reasons to be mad at AFKers? Yes
Do people give stupid excuses? yes. You went over some of them.
But you also gave some stupid analogies to.
You called people idiots, cheaters, and liers through out your whole video. Maybe they where not your direct words of choice but they where hinted at. Example: Steroids in Sports talk.
People are not idiots, cheaters or lieing when they do it. So calling someone that is just a fabricated thought.
Yes people may hate them. You could say it is poor gamers etiquette. It is something that should not be in the game. It hurts overall gameplay. These are things it does.
But it is a smart way for poeple to do other things at home while gaining the competitive SP they want. Saying having more SP does not help you say competitive is just a lie. It does. someone with 10% damage mods vs someone with 5% has a big advantage.
Do I think CCP needs to fix AFKing. Yes. But I would be stupid not to use it to my advantage while it allows me to work on my school work. Or browse these forums for fun.
How is AFKing not like steroids? It's a way to get better faster than doing it legitimately. I don't call people idiots. I don't insinuate that people are idiots. I say that AFKing is boosting and should be frowned upon. Also at the end of the video, I'm pretty sure I say "to each their own". If people want to AFK, by all means go for it, but that does not mean that I have to condone it or agree with it.
I tried to make it clear that my stance is against it, but I don't hate the players that do it. If you didn't get that from the video, you didn't pay close enough attention. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:40:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:But if I AFK then I can't squad up with lowrate and make you go 1/6. Wouldn't you rather that not happen?
When I'm just messing around with cheap logi fits and goofing off, I don't mind much. :D
PS Tell LowRate to stop hiding with his Viziam. Wait... That's his only strategy... |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:46:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:DS 10 wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:But if I AFK then I can't squad up with lowrate and make you go 1/6. Wouldn't you rather that not happen? When I'm just messing around with cheap logi fits and goofing off, I don't mind much. :D Just sayin, I know u mad bro :p
About what? Pub scrubs don't mean anything. Hence why I've been playing with random fittings for the past week. Sorry I'm not mad... Does this help? |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:52:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:DS 10 wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:Do I have any excuse for AFKing nope.
Why do I do it then. I would be a idiot not to take advantage of free SP while I am studying and working on projects or writing papers.
I am doing other things more important. It is easy to once in awhile look back see I am not in a game anymore put myself in one and go back to my college school work.
It is a smart thing to do. I am not going out of my way to do it. But I am not burning up time I could spend on school work.
Do people have ligit reasons to be mad at AFKers? Yes
Do people give stupid excuses? yes. You went over some of them.
But you also gave some stupid analogies to.
You called people idiots, cheaters, and liers through out your whole video. Maybe they where not your direct words of choice but they where hinted at. Example: Steroids in Sports talk.
People are not idiots, cheaters or lieing when they do it. So calling someone that is just a fabricated thought.
Yes people may hate them. You could say it is poor gamers etiquette. It is something that should not be in the game. It hurts overall gameplay. These are things it does.
But it is a smart way for poeple to do other things at home while gaining the competitive SP they want. Saying having more SP does not help you say competitive is just a lie. It does. someone with 10% damage mods vs someone with 5% has a big advantage.
Do I think CCP needs to fix AFKing. Yes. But I would be stupid not to use it to my advantage while it allows me to work on my school work. Or browse these forums for fun. How is AFKing not like steroids? It's a way to get better faster than doing it legitimately. I don't call people idiots. I don't insinuate that people are idiots. I say that AFKing is boosting and should be frowned upon. Also at the end of the video, I'm pretty sure I say "to each their own". If people want to AFK, by all means go for it, but that does not mean that I have to condone it or agree with it. I tried to make it clear that my stance is against it, but I don't hate the players that do it. If you didn't get that from the video, you didn't pay close enough attention. Steroids is banned from sports and considered cheating by the league for each sport. AFKing is a mechanic in DUST 514. CCP has not banned it. Or called it a cheat/exploit. It is a acceptable and legitimate way to play. It is like creatine if you want to use that annalogy. Some people frown on it others except it. But it is legal.
The analogy wasn't meant to be examined by microscope. You get the point. Steroids = gain with less effort. Jesus. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:It is a acceptable and legitimate way to play This about sums up AFKers, you can't reason with them.
"CCP put it in the game! It's a legitimate method!"
If it was so legitimate, CCP wouldn't be fixing it. It's a shame it took so long for them to do something about it. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 18:15:00 -
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ladwar wrote:meh... lol it went down hill fast to the trolls. I don't like the feeling that no matter how well I do I get most of the reward from just spawning in, which is why I bring up the reward system ever chance I get and don't usually actually play till I cap out. there is to much reward on passive in match spawned in time and/or to little WP reward. that really needs to be fixed. dust might be in the eve world but its not the same game and shouldn't be treated as such. the game mechanic does not work the same way and theres no way to keep a player base if you use a different type of game and use it for your ruling mechanic, sure it could be an underlining mechanic but to make a major mechanic is to setup stuff like this.
From what I've heard, a fix is in the works. Whether this means some type of punishment system for AFKers or a different WP scoring system, I have no idea. Something needs to be done though before Skirmish ends up just being MCC Party mode. Once another objective mode comes out, I don't imagine as many people will be playing Skirmish. |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 18:29:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:It is a acceptable and legitimate way to play This about sums up AFKers, you can't reason with them. What answer are you looking for? You can go negative while losing money and earning slightly more SP than going 0-0 and earning money . You want people to get stomped on for what purpose?
If you get stomped on, unless you're brand new, AFKing isn't going to save you. You're just bad... |
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:16:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:IRuby Heart wrote: The question is, why do you care about your SP so much that you have to take the time to load up your PS3 and continuously hop into a Skirmish game, constantly look at your screen, while doing your school work? When I have a project to do the last thing I'm thinking about is
"OMG I'm losing out on SP in Dust While I do this important task, let me MCC Farm instead"
Sounds to me like you value your SP over all else. This subject has been beaten into the ground, by me and practically the whole community. I grow weary of these encounters.
Because I take 30 seconds out of every 20 mins I care about AFKing more then anything now. Umm sorry some people can multi task. I am getting successful As in my classes so it looks like I put enough value on them. Not sure how multi tasking and AFKing farming in the background makes me emphasis alot of value on it. The question is why not do it? I lose nothing. My corp is not going to kick me. I am still one of the best tankers in the game. And a top dropship pilot. I have decent ground game. None of these things change if I AFK. I just gain extra SP to put into things I enjoy. Yes people are pissed off at me but in the end that does not effect me. Because I have a big friend base in dust so if a few people get angry I am not going to be a loner. So why should I not AFK? DS 10 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:It is a acceptable and legitimate way to play This about sums up AFKers, you can't reason with them. "CCP put it in the game! It's a legitimate method!" If it was so legitimate, CCP wouldn't be fixing it. It's a shame it took so long for them to do something about it. Definition of legitmite for you guys: Conforming to the law or to rules How am i not being reasonable. Your the ones doing personal attacks on the AFKers. I am just explaining that your reasonings are horrible. If you talked about the mechanic needing to be fixed and bad for game play then you would have something worth while. But all the video did was attack other players saying they have no excuses to AFK. You do not need a excuse to AFK. It is legitimate. No rules ban it. Nothing says it is a exploit. It is a unexpected mechanic. Just like the wind tunnels some baseball stadiums make that make it easier to obtain a home run. The home run is legitimate. Just takes longer to fix that mistake where here it is a quicker time line. Yes maybe not quick enough for some.
I just explained the holes in the excuses given. I don't care that people that AFK. If that's what you wanna do, do it. I'm pretty sure I said that in my video as well. I just don't agree with it and see it as a cheap tactic. That's all :D
We can have different opinions and still get along.
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