I'll leave this right here.

This is what we should be working towards for new players.

TL;DR: We need more Mass Drivers

I wouldn't generalize so much. I'm an AR user, but I don't "***** and moan for nerfs" as you say. My experience has shown me that there are a few different ways to approach different weapons. Attacking another AR user is different in attacking a MD user in both approach and pressure. I try to make MD users panic and use their rounds quickly - that's when they're the weakest. That won't happen with an AR user (Usually) because of the clip they have in their primary and secondary weapon. So for them, it a matter of catching them reloading or switching weapons and conserving my shots.

I think "Run and Gun" is the real FOO strategy. You can fit your dropsuit with two damage mods and a duvolle and run though skirmish no problem. But try that in a corp battle and you're toast. Corp battles - and by that extension PC - is the real brick wall here

So instead of nerfing one aspect of a game and fixing the balance issue, try to buff everything else (and pray that it remains balanced)!

Buff everything...except AV! NERF THE KITTENS OUT OF AV

Here's the thing with HAVs. They have never taken the next step in their "perfect imbalance" evolution.

What is the best way to run a heavey? With a logi! The counter to relatively strong AV could very well be remote repping.

Does anyone ever run remote repairs on vehicles from other vehicles? Nope. People haven't figured out how to become vehicle logis. Mainly because it is clunky and a pain to use remote reps. But they can still be done. Even in this build.

But we are all still thinking of vehicles as single units that work with infantry. And not how to fight battles using various combinations of vehicles. What if the vehicle nerf was not based on players ranting, but on internal tests with game play modes where there were up to 12 vehicles per team? Do you let everyone get used to vehicles and anti vehicle roles that are balanced for Instant Battle and ignore the balance for Planetary Conquest where 16 person teams in coporation v. corporation battles will begin to figure out ways to powerful combinations of vehicles and infantry into battles in ways we have not yet seen?

I would rather they nerf all armor and shields and buff all weapons.

So it is one or two hit kill on everything.

You want a AAA FPS?

That is how you make it. Skill rules SP, ISK, WP, time spent leveling is window dressing.

We'll see how it goes. I really think they are just making it up as they go. Best thing they could do is leave the game alone for a while. Unless there is something that is drastically and glaringly messed up.

However, rumor has it that something was already done. To the AR. Word on the street is that players with decent aim are no longer liking the AR.

Also, "twitch" is often used derisively but I am not sure why games that require hand eye coordination get such a bad rap here on the forums. Tetris and Pong are twitch games. Nobody hates those games. I have never seen a thread here where one poster told another to "go back to Tetris."

If done well, "twitch" adds depth to the game. All it needs is the proper counterGǪ