DUST Search - Speed Up the Swarms Flight

Don Von Hulio wrote:

Well, i have seen some good Dropship pilots in my time playing. They are not gimped by any means. Of course you will **** people off if you hover over an objective shooting people, which in turn makes people want to kill you. Which is why its good to be in contact with people on the ground instead of ferrying them all over the map.

BOZ MR wrote:

Don Von Hulio wrote:

And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone.

Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it.

Than give an actual lock on time like 3-4 second instead of peek-a-boom ability.
And take away the ability to turn corners, and less ammo per magazine since you are increasing already insane DPS.

I never understood why they do that sometimes, only happens to tanks though since they seem to favor flying towards the spot you first shot and then when they approach the target they speed up while turning towards the target.... instead of actively seeking the target.

The DPS is only insane if you have a crap tank or in a Derpship lol. The ammo doesnt necessarily need to be nerfd but the rate of fire may need adjusting.

The dropships will have countermeasures and if they goof and misuse it they should die. If a tank is sitting out in the open expecting to tank everything, it should die. Not have 10 seconds to find the nearest foothill while the swarms derp along like they are in a School Zone. But they tanks will know they are being locked anyways which will make them find cover, which i would prefer instead of wasting all my ammo for no reason.

Edit: People treat LAV's like trashcans as they try to murder taxi everything thinking everyone is noob, they SHOULD die. Good tankers are worth taking down because its not easy. I run AV when i have to. There is a forge gun, Swarm, and AV nades (and other tanks if you count those).... wow, thats alot of AV man.... (sarcasm)

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Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 175	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:17:00 - [1] - Quote And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone. Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it.
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 82	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:19:00 - [2] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone. Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it. Than give an actual lock on time like 3-4 second instead of peek-a-boom ability. And take away the ability to turn corners, and less ammo and half ammo per magazine since you are increasing already insane DPS. Btw, swarms do HIT dropships, it is your fail.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 460	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:21:00 - [3] - Quote I was about to agree, then I remembered how anti-vehicle this game already is. It's already hard enough to use any vehicles in this game without having half the enemy team focus on blowing you up. vehicles currently are practically limited to skirting the edges of the map, and trying to use hit-and-run tactics to get anything done.
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens EoN. 152	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:23:00 - [4] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone. Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it. I can't agree. Have u flown a dropship? They are almost as easy to kill as a lav and if u have 3 or more guys trying to kill u your done.
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 176	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:30:00 - [5] - Quote Well, i have seen some good Dropship pilots in my time playing. They are not gimped by any means. Of course you will ** people off if you hover over an objective shooting people, which in turn makes people want to kill you. Which is why its good to be in contact with people on the ground instead of ferrying them all over the map. BOZ MR wrote: Don Von Hulio wrote:** And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone. Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it. Than give an actual lock on time like 3-4 second instead of peek-a-boom ability. And take away the ability to turn corners, and less ammo per magazine since you are increasing already insane DPS. I never understood why they they do that sometimes, only happens to tanks though since they seem to favor flying towards the spot you first shot and then when they approach the target they speed up while turning towards the target.... instead of actively seeking the target. The DPS is only insane if you have a crap tank or in a Derpship lol. The ammo doesnt necessarily need to be nerfd but the rate of fire may need adjusting. The dropships will have countermeasures and if they goof and misuse it they should die. If a tank is sitting out in the open expecting to tank everything, it should die. Not have 10 seconds to find the nearest foothill while the swarms derp along like they are in a School Zone. But they tanks will know they are being locked anyways which will make them find cover, which i would prefer instead of wasting all my ammo for no reason. Edit: People treat LAV's like trashcans as they try to murder taxi everything thinking everyone is noob, they SHOULD die. Good tankers are worth taking down because its not easy. I run AV when i have to. There is a forge gun, Swarm, and AV nades (and other tanks if you count those).... wow, thats alot of AV man....
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation 223	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:34:00 - [6] - Quote +1. Having an anti-vehicle missile that can't outrun a vehicle is simply pathetic. Really, anyone can tell you that even the slowest missiles travel at AT LEAST mach 1, if not faster. Also, this game is not anti-vehicle, people just think they can run them in pub matches without coordination with ground troops. A dropship is supposed to be used in conjunction with an infantry push, if not with many other dropships.
Sev Alcatraz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 252	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:44:00 - [7] - Quote If you can't kill a drop ship with swarms your doing something seriously wrong...
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 176	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:47:00 - [8] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: If you can't kill a drop ship with swarms your doing something seriously wrong... If you cant dodge a swarm you are flying seriously wrong.
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 36	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:50:00 - [9] - Quote Overall I think all vehicles should be much harder to kill(unless counter vehicle) but take much more effort(isk/sp) to acquire.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 243	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:56:00 - [10] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: If you can't kill a drop ship with swarms your doing something seriously wrong... If you cant dodge a swarm you are flying seriously wrong. No names here, but there's a troll in this thread who doesn't have much flight experience. Or has a light ship with an after burner module that's somehow constantly on and/or a ship that accelerates 0-100 in a second.

Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 70	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:07:00 - [11] - Quote I fly dropships. More importantly, I fly Gallente Dropships, specifically a Grimsnes, which if you did not know is armour tanked. I have survived many things in my flying metal box. I've been hit by Forges, Swarms and even seen what HMGs can do to a hovering Dropship. I don't even use afterburner modules and I use small blasters and I survive all game. It takes a bit more effort to outrun swarms than you think and while I would definitely appreciate countermeasures, Swarms are fine, much as I rage if I die by them. The only things swarms need is not to be able to turn at 180 degree angles in an inch of space around the building I'm hovering behind.
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:41:00 - [12] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Don Von Hulio wrote: And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone. Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it. Than give an actual lock on time like 3-4 second instead of peek-a-boom ability. And take away the ability to turn corners, and less ammo and half ammo per magazine since you are increasing already insane DPS. Btw, swarms do HIT dropships, it is your fail. complaining about swarms, lol. you are aware after you launch swarms you're basically a sitting duck for 3-5 seconds, YOU CANT SPRINT, YOU CANT CHANGE GUNS. you also have to survive while the swarms are in flight.( GG on realism CCP) if you die before the swarms hit their target, the swarms are voided.( much like cooking and sometimes throwing nades.) PS CCP, i seen the video of the plasma cannon in action. Can you make an AV weapon seem anymore underwhelming.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 311	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:49:00 - [13] - Quote Yes, smart tune up would be both at the same time: - Increase Swarm msl speed - Take away ability to go around corners That would fix many things vs tanks. vs dropships, add things you guys have already suggested.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 765	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:49:00 - [14] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Overall I think all vehicles should be much harder to kill(unless counter vehicle) but take much more effort(isk/sp) to acquire. Modern, fire-and-forget anti-tank missiles are one-hit kills on most tanks. Right now, swarm missile damage is just as nerfed as tank HP. I said elsewhere that I would be happy to see swarm missiles' turning radius and magazine size nerfed if they made the damage more impressive and allowed us to fire the missiles UP and over obstacles instead of them flying nap-of-the-earth all the time.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 48	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:50:00 - [15] - Quote no..................................................................... swarms are already op from locking on behind cover now you want them to be faster.... suck a duck!!
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Mercenaries 49	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:50:00 - [16] - Quote no, just no av are op this built
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 765	Posted - 2013.04.30 03:00:00 - [17] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: no..................................................................... swarms are already op from locking on behind cover now you want them to be faster.... suck a duck!! I have yet to lock on without line of sight. I have always had to expose my merc to hostile fIre to lock on. Of course, if the tanker is dumb enough to park his nose in my line of sight and not have a nose gunner... Smart tankers know when they're exposed. Of course, smart tankers run with a full crew and an infantry screen to keep away AV. Any tanker who routinely dies to AV must be considered as still in training. The good tankers very rarely die to AV, even in militia tanks.
Principus Shmoof Triariian Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.04.30 03:03:00 - [18] - Quote Go home, there is too much AV stuff in this game. Make them worse, and make vehicles more powerful (all perfectly balanced and not OP or under powered though)
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 72	Posted - 2013.04.30 05:05:00 - [19] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone. Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it. HEEEEEEEEEEEL NO! they are fast enough, an alarm would eb fine but if they increase speed it will push the DS like the FGs do, also might add damage... idk the ladder though. a faster flying rocket laod would be fine as a varient but not as a standard to swarm tech.
Ric Barlom On The Brink CRONOS. 13	Posted - 2013.04.30 05:59:00 - [20] - Quote You know guys I've been following this whole AV vs Vehicle debate for quite for some time now and the more threads I read on the topic, the more it reminds me of the republicans vs democrats discussions! And let me tell you something guys, that is NOT a compliment! Now people who know me, know that I'm all about straight talk and I don't dumb myself down for the slowest dude on the forums. So let me lay it down for you guys, cause I don't give a **! So what I believe is going on is something all too common in online games. I'm talking about unrealistic expectations, boys and girls. And let me make it crystal clear for you, guys: I don't give a whether you're pro AV or pro life, you're all suffering from unrealistic expectations! I mean my God, guys, some people think swarms should one shot a tank, and others tell me how shocked they are when half a team destroy their dropship! Settle the down! Let's all calm down, wait and see where CCP is going with this, let's understand their vision and THEN we can start to talk about balance, you ** heads.

Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 72	Posted - 2013.04.30 06:03:00 - [21] - Quote Ric Barlom wrote: You know guys I've been following this whole AV vs Vehicle debate for quite for some time now and the more threads I read on the topic, the more it reminds me of the republicans vs democrats discussions! And let me tell you something guys, that is NOT a compliment! Now people who know me, know that I'm all about straight talk and I don't dumb myself down for the slowest dude on the forums. So let me lay it down for you guys, cause I don't give a **! So what I believe is going on is something all too common in online games. I'm talking about unrealistic expectations, boys and girls. And let me make it crystal clear for you, guys: I don't give a whether you're pro AV or pro life, you're all suffering from unrealistic expectations! I mean my God, guys, some people think swarms should one shot a tank, and others tell me how shocked they are when half a team destroy their dropship! Settle the down! Let's all calm down, wait and see where CCP is going with this, let's understand their vision and THEN we can start to talk about balance, you ** heads. well there were elephents, and there were donkoys but now we have hippos, they stand for the hiprocrits ROFL, have a team destroy a DS? 1 shotting a tank? you chosoe the worste and not the avrage, 2ndly, no need to say your blnut, straight forward and crystal clear, we got it.
Void Echo Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 60	Posted - 2013.04.30 06:07:00 - [22] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: no..................................................................... swarms are already op from locking on behind cover now you want them to be faster.... suck a duck!! I have yet to lock on without line of sight. I have always had to expose my merc to hostile fIre to lock on. Of course, if the tanker is dumb enough to park his nose in my line of sight and not have a nose gunner... Smart tankers know when they're exposed. Of course, smart tankers run with a full crew and an infantry screen to keep away AV. Any tanker who routinely dies to AV must be considered as still in training. The good tankers very rarely die to AV, even in militia tanks. true, even if your using the most advanced tank fitting in the game, if your a poor driver, your going to die. even if you have one of the worst fittings in the game, if your a highly skilled driver, youl survive the entire match and cause serious damage to the enemy. the tank is NOT an "instant win button" its the driver that makes the difference.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 203	Posted - 2013.04.30 06:08:00 - [23] - Quote Tanks should be buffed up to what they used to be and militia swarms need to go back to being crap. If anyone on infantry has a problem, they can spec into the existing counter to tanks just like tank drivers specialized into their role. Tank drivers are the realest ***s in the room and they got punished for playing the game right. I have 0 SP invested into HAV and I never will, but I'll be ed if I get punished for specializing into something and playing the game as intended because a bunch of little ***s are too lazy to spec into something that can counter me. Welcome to New Eden: Adapt or die!
fred orpaul The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 245	Posted - 2013.04.30 06:13:00 - [24] - Quote frankly I would like to see swarm get a speed buff and a turn radius nerf that way they can still be out flown but it take more skill then flying in a straight line as fast as possible. This would mean a competent pilot would require a significant AV presence to drop but the scrubs would burn. Also if they did that they would need to nerf forge gun damage to DS with a buff to knock back. (basically you should be more likely to cause a DS to crash then out right kill it with a forge) just my two cents.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2013.04.30 06:16:00 - [25] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: If you can't kill a drop ship with swarms your doing something seriously wrong... If you cant dodge a swarm you are flying seriously wrong. if you call redlining your ship out flying a swarm then by all means
fred orpaul The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 245	Posted - 2013.04.30 06:23:00 - [26] - Quote Ric Barlom wrote: You know guys I've been following this whole AV vs Vehicle debate for quite for some time now and the more threads I read on the topic, the more it reminds me of the republicans vs democrats discussions! And let me tell you something guys, that is NOT a compliment! Now people who know me, know that I'm all about straight talk and I don't dumb myself down for the slowest dude on the forums. So let me lay it down for you guys, cause I don't give a **! So what I believe is going on is something all too common in online games. I'm talking about unrealistic expectations, boys and girls. And let me make it crystal clear for you, guys: I don't give a whether you're pro AV or pro life, you're all suffering from unrealistic expectations! I mean my God, guys, some people think swarms should one shot a tank, and others tell me how shocked they are when half a team destroy their dropship! Settle the down! Let's all calm down, wait and see where CCP is going with this, let's understand their vision and THEN we can start to talk about balance, you ** heads. well said if more inflammatory then helpful, but the DS/ AV mechanic does need some work, tho not in the standard buff/nerf sense, although frankly I would be ok with a massive HP buff to them, and swarm to have to be dodged instead of out run. Tanks as well need a revisiting, I would really like to see tanks get a massive HP buff, but then we would need to get webbers, or something to keep tanks from running from a coordinated AV attack, and OBs would need a damage buff. all of this is needed more on the high end then the low. I would say they are too effective against ground troops but I never really die to them(unless im being stupid) but rather their fellow ground support which is more a lack of team support problem. LAVs are fine their single greatest weakness was the fact that you might pay an entire matchs isk for one worth a damn and then have to baby sit it in the red line when they were no longer practical, being able to recall vehicles fixes this, although lavs could use a PG CPU buff.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2013.04.30 07:05:00 - [27] - Quote AV is fine people just need to fit them better and get more SP into core skills that increase CPU and PG and fit the Best mod's onto there tank you know the ones that give 5000 hp + 30% damage res + damage control + top tier turret just that and some defensive play and your fine And yes i do play av and i have speced into AV and there have been tanks i shot down before they even hit the ground there have been tanks i have not been able to kill in 7 spawns of my av suit
fred orpaul The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 245	Posted - 2013.04.30 07:12:00 - [28] - Quote tanks are a significant expenditure and should require at least a squad to take down (for high end tanks) I have never seen a tank that a proto forge gunner couldn't take down first try.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2013.04.30 07:23:00 - [29] - Quote fred orpaul wrote: tanks are a significant expenditure and should require at least a squad to take down (for high end tanks) I have never seen a tank that a proto forge gunner couldn't take down first try. ye think i don't get is a tank driver waits till he has taken a few hits and is low to take cover it should be (shooting) oh i have been hit better get out of the fire line if the player is good most of the time we need to insta gib them but alot of the time if i get my team to distract the tank or lure the tank out (and he is dumb enough) to come close to us we all run out AV nade him to death
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 84	Posted - 2013.04.30 07:44:00 - [30] - Quote Don Von Hulio wrote: Well, i have seen some good Dropship pilots in my time playing. They are not gimped by any means. Of course you will ** people off if you hover over an objective shooting people, which in turn makes people want to kill you. Which is why its good to be in contact with people on the ground instead of ferrying them all over the map. BOZ MR wrote: Don Von Hulio wrote:** And give Dropships countermeasures against swarms along with an alert tone when they have been locked, tanks just get an alert tone. Derpships can still outrun swarms so there is no point in even trying to shoot one down with that weapon, unless its a militia and hope they land on target an OHK it. Than give an actual lock on time like 3-4 second instead of peek-a-boom ability. And take away the ability to turn corners, and less ammo per magazine since you are increasing already insane DPS. I never understood why they do that sometimes, only happens to tanks though since they seem to favor flying towards the spot you first shot and then when they approach the target they speed up while turning towards the target.... instead of actively seeking the target. The DPS is only insane if you have a crap tank or in a Derpship lol. The ammo doesnt necessarily need to be nerfd but the rate of fire may need adjusting. The dropships will have countermeasures and if they goof and misuse it they should die. If a tank is sitting out in the open expecting to tank everything, it should die. Not have 10 seconds to find the nearest foothill while the swarms derp along like they are in a School Zone. But they tanks will know they are being locked anyways which will make them find cover, which i would prefer instead of wasting all my ammo for no reason. Edit: People treat LAV's like trashcans as they try to murder taxi everything thinking everyone is noob, they SHOULD die. Good tankers are worth taking down because its not easy. I run AV when i have to. There is a forge gun, Swarm, and AV nades (and other tanks if you count those).... wow, thats alot of AV man.... (sarcasm) Yeah, a lot of armor tankers secret fit is crap tank fit, my surya with all proto mod is crap, you are right, and proto swarms with 3 damage mod does not hit 3200+ without hardners. You make me laugh.



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