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Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1255	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:31:00 - [1] - Quote You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items.
richiesutie 2 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 34	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:32:00 - [2] - Quote NOC?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3561	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:41:00 - [3] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: NOC? Some guy who keeps asking for an AUR refund, every other phrase he says is "commercial release".
Crash Monster Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:44:00 - [4] - Quote Yep, give the aur strip everything else... or just ignore the sod and lock his threads until he implodes.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1319	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:44:00 - [5] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items. The choice should be mine though no? Did anyone consider maybe I would rather have the AUR than the SP?
Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1258	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:46:00 - [6] - Quote You've explicitly ignored this when I posted it last time though lol.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2932	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:56:00 - [7] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items. Logic? on the dust general section? GTFO Noc knew fully well they werent resetting AUR and not to waste it but hey **** logic right?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1319	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:00:00 - [8] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items. Logic? on the dust general section? GTFO Noc knew fully well they werent resetting AUR and not to waste it but hey **** logic right? They said it was the last SP reset. They never said anything about AUR.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2933	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:00:00 - [9] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items. The choice should be mine though no? Did anyone consider maybe I would rather have the AUR than the SP? lol who are u kidding be real no one would realistically want to re-grind 10M SP on a weekly cap, u'll end up wasting months again. But hey u can keep tellin us u would maybe we'd believe u like pub grinding alot PS: I'll play along.....so u get ur AUR back what are u gonna spend it on? not the same boosters?
Crash Monster Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:04:00 - [10] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: PS: I'll play along.....so u get ur AUR back what are u gonna spend it on? not the same boosters? The only reason I can think of for being so uptight about AUR refund is mistakenly buying fifty copies of a BPO or something... ?

Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 127	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:08:00 - [11] - Quote Love how everyone glosses over the part where we asked CCP if there are no more reset does this mean its commercial release. They say no and we say well merc pack items say also on commercial release. There is no condition in the terms stating that a reset is included with said condition. Moreso said there would be no SP resets. Fault lies with CCP not us. You can try to play the fairness game all you want and cry till you are blue in the face Icy but conditions were clear on the merc pack and CCP then compounded by adding in no more resets, initially of SP then of AUR items. They can reset the SP if they want thats up to them, but they are not obligated to do so. You being a whiny P2W pusher(an argument that holds no merit) cry that we are getting 2 bites at the apple. I say its no different than europe players who got merc packs for $10 while US players still had to pay $20 right at the beginning of Open Beta. Anyone cry P2W or unfair or other crap then, nope it was a deal and one that was made available to only a small market. It happens, such is the case with the Merc pack langauge on all pre-open beta packs and GS packs. You can cry all you want but refunds are coming in one form or another. Don't like it well as you've enjoyed saying so much to everyone else HTFU.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:09:00 - [12] - Quote I dont understand it. When you preorder a game, you don't get two copies of it, you get one. Why should you get the aurum back? Especially when there was a statement some time back that the final aurum reset has happened.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 127	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:10:00 - [13] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items. The choice should be mine though no? Did anyone consider maybe I would rather have the AUR than the SP? lol who are u kidding be real no one would realistically want to re-grind 10M SP on a weekly cap, u'll end up wasting months again. But hey u can keep tellin us u would maybe we'd believe u like pub grinding alot PS: I'll play along.....so u get ur AUR back what are u gonna spend it on? not the same boosters? Its really a bad argument that AUR spent on boosters is somehow P2W or unfair. If the aurum was bought and used to buy booster 2x so be it. The SP earned has to be earned it isnt automatic and there is a time component attached to it. The only difference is you are getting that SP for free. So what i say. Does that matter. What happened to all the HTFU over ppl who QQ'd over SP gap and how it was irrelevant after x amount of SP earned. So isnt this basically just the same QQ over a possible SP gap that wouldnt occur for months and even then it would be marginal compartively speaking?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1320	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:24:00 - [14] - Quote Spademan wrote: I dont understand it. When you preorder a game, you don't get two copies of it, you get one. Why should you get the aurum back? Especially when there was a statement some time back that the final aurum reset has happened. The statement was it was the final SP reset. CCP didn't say anything about AUR until the players asked for clarification, and then shocked us by saying we silently went into commercial release before open beta even started. So CCP has never once given a straight answer on this subject. And AUR is the bottom line so it should have the highest priority when dealing with the community.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 998	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:29:00 - [15] - Quote No 3x SP for you!
Kiro Justice The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:34:00 - [16] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items. The choice should be mine though no? Did anyone consider maybe I would rather have the AUR than the SP? lol who are u kidding be real no one would realistically want to re-grind 10M SP on a weekly cap, u'll end up wasting months again. But hey u can keep tellin us u would maybe we'd believe u like pub grinding alot PS: I'll play along.....so u get ur AUR back what are u gonna spend it on? not the same boosters? Its really a bad argument that AUR spent on boosters is somehow P2W or unfair. If the aurum was bought and used to buy booster 2x so be it. The SP earned has to be earned it isnt automatic and there is a time component attached to it. The only difference is you are getting that SP for free. So what i say. Does that matter. What happened to all the HTFU over ppl who QQ'd over SP gap and how it was irrelevant after x amount of SP earned. So isnt this basically just the same QQ over a possible SP gap that wouldnt occur for months and even then it would be marginal compartively speaking? I wonder where the phrase: P2W is...Hm. I don't see it, nor any references or allusions to it...
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 127	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:56:00 - [17] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You said you "didn't expect to pay AUR for a beta". Last I checked, you also didn't expect to get your SP/Items back. Here is the thing. Please, look at it from a business viewpoint, not BS victimized stuff. You bought AUR. You used AUR. You retain the SP, and ISK gained from using AUR items. If you were to be reimbursed the AUR, to make it "legally fair" (as in, no buy one, get one free deal), the SP gained from AUR boosters, and your KD and all AUR items would need to be removed from your account, and the AUR would be reimbursed accordingly. Or, CCP would just not give you the AUR back that was used for SP. Either way, we can argue all day long about loopholes and wording and legal claims about the writing on a simple description. The fact stands that getting double the AUR (basically) while paying for one purchase is unfair both to CCP, and other players who may not have bought AUR yet. And you may say 'BUT THEY GOTTA REWARD US FOR PAYING", well the only reward you get for being part of the beta is about 4-10 million SP when the game launches, and a slew of suits and items. The choice should be mine though no? Did anyone consider maybe I would rather have the AUR than the SP? lol who are u kidding be real no one would realistically want to re-grind 10M SP on a weekly cap, u'll end up wasting months again. But hey u can keep tellin us u would maybe we'd believe u like pub grinding alot PS: I'll play along.....so u get ur AUR back what are u gonna spend it on? not the same boosters? Its really a bad argument that AUR spent on boosters is somehow P2W or unfair. If the aurum was bought and used to buy booster 2x so be it. The SP earned has to be earned it isnt automatic and there is a time component attached to it. The only difference is you are getting that SP for free. So what i say. Does that matter. What happened to all the HTFU over ppl who QQ'd over SP gap and how it was irrelevant after x amount of SP earned. So isnt this basically just the same QQ over a possible SP gap that wouldnt occur for months and even then it would be marginal compartively speaking? I wonder where the phrase: P2W is...Hm. I don't see it, nor any references or allusions to it... Do a search on the topic of Aur and/or Merc pack refunds and you will see it often enough
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1012	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:02:00 - [18] - Quote I thought this was going to be a callout thread for Noc but then it was just another lame clone of the Merc Pack threads.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2628	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:08:00 - [19] - Quote Just so we have the relevant info: http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg Merc Pack was originally promoted as a "credit" of all Merc Pack contents on every reset AND at commercial release. Not "including" commercial release, and not "maybe if we feel like it" for commercial release. There's no ambiguity in the terms used. Merc Pack contents - or an equivalent value - needs to be credited back. Any items used up by people who bought the Merc Pack under those terms are to be credited back to them. If you still have the item (like most will for their Dragonfly suits and Toxin SMGs), it's going to still be there. It's legitimate for CCP to say that any boosters are being credited back with the SP reset on May 6th, and that they're giving you SP to the value of what you earned with the booster(s) purchased. It's also legitimate to scrap any (or all) items in the Merc Pack and give us ISK or AUR value of those items or their nearest equivalent.
Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1263	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:12:00 - [20] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Just so we have the relevant info: http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg Merc Pack was originally promoted as a "credit" of all Merc Pack contents on every reset AND at commercial release. Not "including" commercial release, and not "maybe if we feel like it" for commercial release. There's no ambiguity in the terms used. Merc Pack contents - or an equivalent value - needs to be credited back. Any items used up by people who bought the Merc Pack under those terms are to be credited back to them. If you still have the item (like most will for their Dragonfly suits and Toxin SMGs), it's going to still be there. It's legitimate for CCP to say that any boosters are being credited back with the SP reset on May 6th, and that they're giving you SP to the value of what you earned with the booster(s) purchased. It's also legitimate to scrap any (or all) items in the Merc Pack and give us ISK or AUR value of those items or their nearest equivalent. You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants".

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2628	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:38:00 - [21] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". I probably "missed" that part because it isn't written anywhere that can legally be applied to the Merc Pack purchase.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3729	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:41:00 - [22] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". I probably "missed" that part because it isn't written anywhere that can legally be applied to the Merc Pack purchase. Sony Terms of service. Sony Play Station Network Terms of Service. PS3 ELUA PS3 Terms of service. SECA EULA SECA Terms of service. Have similar wording about being able to provide best services to all customers you waive the right to sue Sony or any of its partners. But appearantly you can still sue a vendor, odd.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 30	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:44:00 - [23] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". I probably "missed" that part because it isn't written anywhere that can legally be applied to the Merc Pack purchase. Well, to my understanding, the section detailing the "refund" was a notice, and notices arent legally binding
Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1264	Posted - 2013.04.28 00:53:00 - [24] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". I probably "missed" that part because it isn't written anywhere that can legally be applied to the Merc Pack purchase. http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg Second last line. They could substitute everything for 1 AUR if they wanted to. And it would be completely legal. Before we all become "internet lawyers" make sure you read everything correctly. Also, nothing on you Garrett, I'm just trying to make a point to others.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1016	Posted - 2013.04.28 01:05:00 - [25] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg Second last line. The first line is my favourite.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1008	Posted - 2013.04.28 01:08:00 - [26] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". I probably "missed" that part because it isn't written anywhere that can legally be applied to the Merc Pack purchase. http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg Second last line. They could substitute everything for 1 AUR if they wanted to. And it would be completely legal. Before we all become "internet lawyers" make sure you read everything correctly. Also, nothing on you Garrett, I'm just trying to make a point to others. I think 400 Neo Type-1 Assault suits instead of 30 day booster would be funnier.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2629	Posted - 2013.04.28 01:22:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". I probably "missed" that part because it isn't written anywhere that can legally be applied to the Merc Pack purchase. Sony Terms of service. Sony Play Station Network Terms of Service. PS3 ELUA PS3 Terms of service. SECA EULA SECA Terms of service. Have similar wording about being able to provide best services to all customers you waive the right to sue Sony or any of its partners. But appearantly you can still sue a vendor, odd. Sony terms of service specifically cover the ability to sue FIRST-PARTY providers. CCP are third-party, and not protected. They also specifically exempt cases which are taken to small claims court, where a case like this would belong.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 128	Posted - 2013.04.28 01:28:00 - [28] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Just so we have the relevant info: http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg Merc Pack was originally promoted as a "credit" of all Merc Pack contents on every reset AND at commercial release. Not "including" commercial release, and not "maybe if we feel like it" for commercial release. There's no ambiguity in the terms used. Merc Pack contents - or an equivalent value - needs to be credited back. Any items used up by people who bought the Merc Pack under those terms are to be credited back to them. If you still have the item (like most will for their Dragonfly suits and Toxin SMGs), it's going to still be there. It's legitimate for CCP to say that any boosters are being credited back with the SP reset on May 6th, and that they're giving you SP to the value of what you earned with the booster(s) purchased. It's also legitimate to scrap any (or all) items in the Merc Pack and give us ISK or AUR value of those items or their nearest equivalent. You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". You missed out on the part doesnt matter what they say, no they really cant on this issue. Sorry but you lose. try again next post.
Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1266	Posted - 2013.04.28 01:32:00 - [29] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Just so we have the relevant info: http://www.dust411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MercPackTerms.jpg Merc Pack was originally promoted as a "credit" of all Merc Pack contents on every reset AND at commercial release. Not "including" commercial release, and not "maybe if we feel like it" for commercial release. There's no ambiguity in the terms used. Merc Pack contents - or an equivalent value - needs to be credited back. Any items used up by people who bought the Merc Pack under those terms are to be credited back to them. If you still have the item (like most will for their Dragonfly suits and Toxin SMGs), it's going to still be there. It's legitimate for CCP to say that any boosters are being credited back with the SP reset on May 6th, and that they're giving you SP to the value of what you earned with the booster(s) purchased. It's also legitimate to scrap any (or all) items in the Merc Pack and give us ISK or AUR value of those items or their nearest equivalent. You missed out where it says that "CCP has the right to do whatever the **** it wants". You missed out on the part doesnt matter what they say, no they really cant on this issue. Sorry but you lose. try again next post. What? You're slipping bro.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1189	Posted - 2013.04.28 01:37:00 - [30] - Quote Oh FFS, LOOK..... If the entire neighborhood is telling you that you're wrong and you still insist that you're right - IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE RIGHT! It just means that you're a stubborn bell end trying to make something from nothing



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