DUST Search - Ban free suits in FW?

Natu Nobilis wrote:

J-Lewis wrote:

Then they have their 25 starting suits to play with. It's similar to a BPO, but losing one impacts the value of a match. The reason for the number limit is to limit ISK reward min-maxing, since lost suits are worth about as much as a low end standard suit. After the match, if you have less than 25 starting suits, they are replenished.

The vast majority of people (even complete newbs) won't die 25 times in an average match (implied matchmaking improvements). There's just realistically not enough time in a match to die that many times if you're putting in an effort not to die (eg. not re-spawning at the same, camped, CRU for 5 minutes straight).

Is that a good answer? Smile

Sorry, i didn-¦t quite understand.

I bought a merc pack, got these 25 dragonfly bpc, and that-¦s it, just joined the game.

I died 15 times in a battle and our team lost.

What happens next, do i only have 10 suits left or another 25 for battle?

And, if i die 25 times in battle, what happens? I can-¦t return for the match and will get kicked out ?


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J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.27 10:51:00 - [1] - Quote Get rid of all militia gear and replace it with the weapons lab and a training simulator. The only gear usable in actual matches should be destructible. Treat BPO items such as the dragonfly like fused locus grenades; each BPO is turned into 50 copies, or reimbursed in the case of militia BPOs that were bought with AUR post AUR cost increase. Starting suits are the equivalent of fully standard fit Basic medium frame suits. You start with the skills to use it. Your starting suit is replenished to 25 copies at the end of every match if you have lost any. It would lead to a lot of (self entitled) whining, but I wouldn't mind playing that game.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.27 11:55:00 - [2] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Get rid of all militia gear and replace it with the weapons lab and a training simulator. The only gear usable in actual matches should be destructible. Treat BPO items such as the dragonfly like fused locus grenades; each BPO is turned into 50 copies, or reimbursed in the case of militia BPOs that were bought with AUR post AUR cost increase. Starting suits are the equivalent of fully standard fit Basic medium frame suits. You start with the skills to use it. Your starting suit is replenished to 25 copies at the end of every match if you have lost any. It would lead to a lot of (self entitled) whining, but I wouldn't mind playing that game. Game design question: What happens when someone is completely broke, and want to play? Then they have their 25 starting suits to play with. It's similar to a BPO, but losing one impacts the value of a match. The reason for the number limit is to limit ISK reward min-maxing, since lost suits are worth about as much as a low end standard suit. After the match, if you have less than 25 starting suits, they are replenished. The vast majority of people (even complete newbs) won't die 25 times in an average match (implied matchmaking improvements). There's just realistically not enough time in a match to die that many times if you're putting in an effort not to die (eg. not re-spawning at the same, camped, CRU for 5 minutes straight). Is that a good answer? e: The ISK from a single match is enough to buy a good amount of gear for alternate fittings, and the weapons lab lets you test weapons before you buy them.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.27 12:22:00 - [3] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Then they have their 25 starting suits to play with. It's similar to a BPO, but losing one impacts the value of a match. The reason for the number limit is to limit ISK reward min-maxing, since lost suits are worth about as much as a low end standard suit. After the match, if you have less than 25 starting suits, they are replenished. The vast majority of people (even complete newbs) won't die 25 times in an average match (implied matchmaking improvements). There's just realistically not enough time in a match to die that many times if you're putting in an effort not to die (eg. not re-spawning at the same, camped, CRU for 5 minutes straight). Is that a good answer? Sorry, i didn-¦t quite understand. I bought a merc pack, got these 25 dragonfly bpc, and that-¦s it, just joined the game. I died 15 times in a battle and our team lost. What happens next, do i only have 10 suits left or another 25 for battle? And, if i die 25 times in battle, what happens? I can-¦t return for the match and will get kicked out ? It's just a theoretical case scenario, but anyway: The dragonfly isn't a starter suit, so no it wouldn't be replenished. Starter suits are the ones you get from your class choice at character creation. If you die 25 times in the dragonfly, you still have your starter suits. If you have no suits and you die 25 times in your starter suit and you can't afford to buy a dropsuit and weapon (~15,000 ISK) to get back into battle, then you either wait out the match (this is a special case, so you don't get kicked), or you can leave manually (in which case you don't get SP or ISK). In any case, you are restocked to 25 starter suits (our current equivalent are the Arbitrator, Enforcer, Artificer, and Demolition suits) after the match. New starter suits might just be based on race. Anyway, it's just my personal dream.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.27 12:29:00 - [4] - Quote Nah, it was supposed to affect everything including high sec pub matches. Starter fits would have a value and quantity and so there's no reason not to be able to bring them into FW. No more militia gear at all. That's what the weapons lab (try before you buy, no sp investments required) and training simulator (against AIs or team mates) are for. Starting gear becomes standard level. Sorry if I was only partially on-topic, I should have clarified that my idea was meant to affect everything. e: It's just that I find BPOs and militia gear detrimental to the economy and peoples willingness to risk assets. A BPO has a net worth of 0, there's no point in killing them because you're not causing any real damage to your enemy beyond KD (weak reason). The original purpose of militia gear is to let people try things before investing SP and ISK into it; a weapons lab makes militia gear redundant. Standard gear is cheap enough that ONE game of ambush can buy you 10-15 standard fit suits. That's a lot of suits for 10 minutes of playing.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.27 12:49:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You can use an ibis in FW if you really want to doesnt mean you will do anything No, you can't. There are restrictions to rookie ships in FW plexes so it only makes sense that militia gear would not be allowed to be used in FW DUST matches. T1 frigs have ther own plex Plus it can be used in basic small gang or even large gang fights, sure you may die in a blaze from an alpha strike but if you were able to web and scram some long enough to get a 2nd point on it then job done A rookie ship cannot enter a FW plex. Meh it can still fight It also dies if it tries.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.27 13:00:00 - [6] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: What happens if you delete your starter fits and then manage to go broke? What I'm describing is similar to something that already happens in dust. Try as you might, you will always have: - 1 Militia assault suit - 1 Militia shotgun - 1 Militia scrambler pistol - 1 Militia Nanohive - 1 Militia grenade If you put them into a fitting, lose them in a match, and delete the fitting during the match, you get them back after. What I described is a way to replace BPO, which are detrimental to dust. The only difference is that instead of 1, it's 25, and instead of 5 different items, it's just the suit, which has all the modules yellow bracketed like the current BPO. To answer your question; deleting a fitting doesn't remove it from your assets (this is the same as how things work now). You still have the starter fits even if they don't show up in your fittings list. e: I only noticed the militia gear thing because of my slight OCD; I like having clean assets lists, so i routinely trash items by killing myself. Much to my dismay I can't get rid of the above items. Probably a leftover from pre-BPO builds.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.04.27 13:36:00 - [7] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If you're going to play for bigger reward you should have to take bigger risk. I'm going need a link to where anyone said FW had greater rewards because last I heard the rewards are going to be equal to pubs. FW is pubs. They are just splitting up squads and solo queues. However I believe you can choose a side when entering a FW match. If this is the case, you could easily get a couple of squads with you (and with the new Uprising not needing UVTs you could all just sit in the same custom channel) and queue up at similar times and choose the same side. Therefore it is NOT pubs. Can you choose a side in pubs? I remember devs saying it but i gotta find the quote. Unless someone has that bookmarked? This is correct; you can pick a side in FW matches. However, they are also pub matches. Pub = public, as in anyone can join.