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Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:07:00 -
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Hello, I have been seeing a lot of tank posts in the forums asking to nerf AV and militia gear when they say that they were killed in their gunnlogi or sagaris. I understand you, I honestly understand where you are on this and your right some of the AV equipment is OP BUT not as much as you think.
A well skilled tank driver can last an entire match also without losing more than half of the shields or armor they have, iv done it countless times also, BUT I know how to drive an armor tank where it doesnt take damage but I can give damage
I drive a Gunnlogi, a Madrugar and a Surya (going after the Sagaris now)
these are my fittings:
Madrugar-
1 Heavy IG-L Polarized armor repair 1 180 reinforced nanofiber plate 1 60 mm reinforced steel plate 1 60 mm reinforced nanofiber plate 1 carapace armor hardener
2 supplemental shield amplifiers
2 20GJ stabilized neutron blasters 1 80GJ scattered neutron blaster.
Surya-
1 light IG-L polarized armor repair 2 180 mm reinforced polycrystalline plates 1 60 mm reinforced nanofiber plate 1 beta powergrid expansion unit
2 azeotropic ward shield extenders 1 azeotropic coolant pump
2 20GJ scattered ion cannons 1 80GJ ion cannon
Gunnlogi-
2 azeotropic ward shield extenders 1 shield amplifier 1 heavy clarity ward shield booster
2 20GJ compressed particle accelerators 1 80GJ compressed particle accelerator
the other 3 slots are used with something that gives an edge.
my shield tank has only 4225 shields yet I can do the same amount of damage as a sagaris because I know how to drive it.
To the new tank drivers that are complaining about getting killed from militia AV or free AV stop already, it wont be long before they get rid of the OP AV equipment and balance the rest out.
its you whiners that are giving the good tank drivers a bad name and rep.
if you can go solo driving a tank in pub matches, all the power to you because not a lot of blues can do that, if you can only survive with a squad, then only bring your tank out when your in a squad of people you trust.
this is NOT sympathetic towards the AV players or assault players, im just tired of seeing all these posts in the forums increasing the negative view on tank drivers "wanting to keep their auto-win button". tanks are NOT an auto-win button, a poorly skilled driver will get the most advanced tank destroyed if he gets in the pilot seat, and the most poorly fitted tank can win a game if a highly skilled tank driver gets in the pilot seat.
and those of you assaulters and AV players that want to separate the driver from the gunner, stay quiet and keep your hands down, that's just another way of you asking for tanks to be nerfed even more. I am NOT going to allow a random blue dot get in my main cannon and start shooting at will, no, if that does happen, tanks will officially be useless.
ITS NOT THE TANK THAT WINS, ITS THE EXPERIENCED PILOT THAT WINS. |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
170
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:10:00 -
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Everyone use those fits they're amazing. They are beast. |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:12:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Everyone use those fits they're amazing. They are beast.
I cant tell if that's sarcasm or not |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
488
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:17:00 -
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I finally decided to give tanking a try today. It wasn't a complete success but I did do slightly better than a strung out chimp with down syndrome would have. My fits aren't worth a damn it would seem so I'll give these a shot. I'm having trouble pinning down the balance between pure buffer and resistance so I'll give it a go. |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
170
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:17:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Everyone use those fits they're amazing. They are beast. I cant tell if that's sarcasm or not sarcasm thts a pretty bad fit. not only slow unless u use keyboard/mouse it also reps slow so u can't stay in combat long. |
Sev Alcatraz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:18:00 -
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The problem with tank v infantry is that you cannot fit a HAV properly ever since they kept ninja nerfing PG and CPU across the board |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:18:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Void Echo wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Everyone use those fits they're amazing. They are beast. I cant tell if that's sarcasm or not sarcasm thts a pretty bad fit. not only slow unless u use keyboard/mouse it also reps slow so u can't stay in combat long.
which is why I said that my fitting is best used when you have a full squad of infantry support helping you. I also said that it requires a very skilled tank driver to not get killed every match |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:25:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:The problem with tank v infantry is that you cannot fit a HAV properly ever since they kept ninja nerfing PG and CPU across the board
the surya is just a more expensive almost exact clone of the madrugar, and the same thing with the sagaris and gunnlogi |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
170
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:25:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Void Echo wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Everyone use those fits they're amazing. They are beast. I cant tell if that's sarcasm or not sarcasm thts a pretty bad fit. not only slow unless u use keyboard/mouse it also reps slow so u can't stay in combat long. which is why I said that my fitting is best used when you have a full squad of infantry support helping you. any tank is good with infantry support. thts like saying a heavy is good with a logi bro. a milita heavy will destroy u with a logi bro while one without one will die quicker. but tht tank is block with no good defence. talking about the syura. |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:28:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Void Echo wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Void Echo wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Everyone use those fits they're amazing. They are beast. I cant tell if that's sarcasm or not sarcasm thts a pretty bad fit. not only slow unless u use keyboard/mouse it also reps slow so u can't stay in combat long. which is why I said that my fitting is best used when you have a full squad of infantry support helping you. any tank is good with infantry support. thts like saying a heavy is good with a logi bro. a milita heavy will destroy u with a logi bro while one without one will die quicker. but tht tank is block with no good defence. talking about the syura.
um yeah... no they don't, my surya lasts the whole match every time, but this isn't the point of the thread. |
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BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
170
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:35:00 -
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@Void Echo
It lives every game cause u have infantry support not because of tht tank fit. you tell ppl to use tht and ppl will die. And complain about AV even more. Tht fit is not good. |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:40:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:@Void Echo
It lives every game cause u have infantry support not because of tht tank fit. you tell ppl to use tht and ppl will die. And complain about AV even more. Tht fit is not good.
regardless, im not telling anyone to use my fittings, im giving them as an example of how a tank driver can destroy the enemy team if he is a skilled driver, im not trying to influence anyone's fittings or style, this game is meant to encourage people to find their own styles and fittings, I found mine and I do very well with them all. if you don't agree with my fittings, tuff make your own, that's the point. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
272
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:36:00 -
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They are some of the worst fits i have seen in a long time
Are you serious?
You have to be trolling, only way some would put up really bad fits is to get other HAV drivers to use em so they get easier kills |
BOZ MR
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:45:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:@Void Echo
It lives every game cause u have infantry support not because of tht tank fit. you tell ppl to use tht and ppl will die. And complain about AV even more. Tht fit is not good. Do you even care what other people do? Aren't you the one that told a new tanker in Tanks R Us channel that he should fit his madrugar with shieldboosters and Large missile launchers? |
BOZ MR
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:46:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Hello, I have been seeing a lot of tank posts in the forums asking to nerf AV and militia gear when they say that they were killed in their gunnlogi or sagaris. I understand you, I honestly understand where you are on this and your right some of the AV equipment is OP BUT not as much as you think. like how the forge gun can do more damage than a prototype railgun, and how AV grenades give too much damage for being able to be resupplied fully within 5 seconds.
A well skilled tank driver can last an entire match also without losing more than half of the shields or armor they have, iv done it countless times also, BUT I know how to drive an armor tank where it doesnt take damage but I can give damage
I drive a Gunnlogi, a Madrugar and a Surya (going after the Sagaris now)
these are my fittings:
Madrugar-
1 Heavy IG-L Polarized armor repair 1 180 reinforced nanofiber plate 1 60 mm reinforced steel plate 1 60 mm reinforced nanofiber plate 1 carapace armor hardener
2 supplemental shield amplifiers
2 20GJ stabilized neutron blasters 1 80GJ scattered neutron blaster.
Surya- (this fitting is best used when your in a full squad of infantry support)
1 light IG-L polarized armor repair 2 180 mm reinforced polycrystalline plates 1 60 mm reinforced nanofiber plate 1 beta powergrid expansion unit
2 azeotropic ward shield extenders 1 azeotropic coolant pump
2 20GJ scattered ion cannons 1 80GJ ion cannon
Gunnlogi- (I use this as a sniping fit and seldom a close combat)
2 azeotropic ward shield extenders 1 shield amplifier 1 heavy clarity ward shield booster
2 20GJ compressed particle accelerators 1 80GJ compressed particle accelerator
the other 3 slots are used with something that gives an edge.
my shield tank has only 4225 shields yet I can do the same amount of damage as a sagaris because I know how to drive it.
To the new tank drivers that are complaining about getting killed from militia AV or free AV stop already, it wont be long before they get rid of the OP AV equipment and balance the rest out.
its you whiners that are giving the good tank drivers a bad name and rep.
if you can go solo driving a tank in pub matches, all the power to you because not a lot of blues can do that, if you can only survive with a squad, then only bring your tank out when your in a squad of people you trust.
this is NOT sympathetic towards the AV players or assault players, im just tired of seeing all these posts in the forums increasing the negative view on tank drivers "wanting to keep their auto-win button". tanks are NOT an auto-win button, a poorly skilled driver will get the most advanced tank destroyed if he gets in the pilot seat, and the most poorly fitted tank can win a game if a highly skilled tank driver gets in the pilot seat.
and those of you assaulters and AV players that want to separate the driver from the gunner, stay quiet and keep your hands down, that's just another way of you asking for tanks to be nerfed even more. I am NOT going to allow a random blue dot to get in my main cannon and start shooting at will, no, if that does happen, tanks will officially be useless.
ITS NOT THE TANK THAT WINS, ITS THE EXPERIENCED PILOT THAT WINS. Almost got you the other day. That madrugar you killed was my glass cannon with damage mods. I was experimenting why would you interrupt it! |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
621
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:47:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:which is why I said that my fitting is best used when you have a full squad of infantry support helping you. I also said that it requires a very skilled tank driver to not get killed every match Those fitting are best used when red to me, when blue to me oh for fucks sake why did the short bus drop you off in my team. |
BOZ MR
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:51:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Void Echo wrote:which is why I said that my fitting is best used when you have a full squad of infantry support helping you. I also said that it requires a very skilled tank driver to not get killed every match Those fitting are best used when red to me, when blue to me oh for fucks sake why did the short bus drop you off in my team. His gunloggi is logical. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
621
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:56:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Void Echo wrote:which is why I said that my fitting is best used when you have a full squad of infantry support helping you. I also said that it requires a very skilled tank driver to not get killed every match Those fitting are best used when red to me, when blue to me oh for fucks sake why did the short bus drop you off in my team. His gunloggi is logical. If by logical you mean the name shares the letters 'logi', then yes.
If you mean it's not a completely moronic fit, then no. |
Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
164
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:06:00 -
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I disagree. My Sagaris has been blown up by the efforts of a single Grimlock Forge gun. It took 4 hits dispite running away at full speed with hardners and boosters activated. So a single skilled AV user can destroy some of the most terrorfing tanks in the game single handedly. Tanks should NOT be soloed by any infainty soldier |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2589
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Posted - 2013.04.24 12:24:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:I disagree. My Sagaris has been blown up by the efforts of a single Grimlock Forge gun. It took 4 hits dispite running away at full speed with hardners and boosters activated. So a single skilled AV user can destroy some of the most terrorfing tanks in the game single handedly. Tanks should NOT be soloed by any infainty soldier GRIMLOCK SMASH!
...sorry.
But more seriously, why did you let him keep shooting you for that long? You put yourself into a position where you couldn't get away from the enemy AV. Or you had a way out, and didn't take it in time. Either way, your death in that situation is legitimate. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
272
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:28:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:I disagree. My Sagaris has been blown up by the efforts of a single Grimlock Forge gun. It took 4 hits dispite running away at full speed with hardners and boosters activated. So a single skilled AV user can destroy some of the most terrorfing tanks in the game single handedly. Tanks should NOT be soloed by any infainty soldier GRIMLOCK SMASH! ...sorry. But more seriously, why did you let him keep shooting you for that long? You put yourself into a position where you couldn't get away from the enemy AV. Or you had a way out, and didn't take it in time. Either way, your death in that situation is legitimate.
If its the assault officer FG you aint getting away, it hits hard and fast
When in a shield tank you cant always have stuff running
That situation is commonplace and can happen, FG is hiding somewhere normally high up and as a shield tank you dont have anything running to protect you because lol10sec hardners
So the 1st FG shot, suprise shot and depending how hard he hits you activate everything and try to get away but depending where he is which is probarly high and a nice LOS to everything around, your infantry cannot help either most likely and its all on the driver to find cover if he knows where he is
You cant really look around to find the FG incase you hit anytihng like a rock and a shield tank it can easily lose 2k of health for hitting a rock so you got hell for leather and that FG can just keep on hitting you
The driver cannot do anything except drive away, the infantry are next to useless, the solo AV guy solo'd a 2mil tank, no teamwork
Why did you let him keep shooting you for that long? such a ******* stupid question |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2591
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Posted - 2013.04.24 16:24:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:If its the assault officer FG you aint getting away, it hits hard and fast You'll notice that the example was for a GRIMLOCK Forge Gun though, not the Officer Forge. And balancing Officer weapons is a totally separate issue from AV weapons that you can actually purchase and get hold of deliberately.
Quote:When in a shield tank you cant always have stuff running But you also don't get slowed down like you do in an armour tank.
Quote:That situation is commonplace and can happen, FG is hiding somewhere normally high up and as a shield tank you dont have anything running to protect you because lol10sec hardners
So the 1st FG shot, suprise shot and depending how hard he hits you activate everything and try to get away but depending where he is which is probarly high and a nice LOS to everything around, your infantry cannot help either most likely and its all on the driver to find cover if he knows where he is You get directional damage indicator, you hit 1 or 2 hardeners (depending on fitting and how hard you got hit, then move in such a way that enemies can't hit you from teh direction where you were taking fire.
Quote:You cant really look around to find the FG incase you hit anytihng like a rock and a shield tank it can easily lose 2k of health for hitting a rock so you got hell for leather and that FG can just keep on hitting you Or you could learn the map layout? Knowing where you're going without needing to look is a huge advantage.
Quote:The driver cannot do anything except drive away, the infantry are next to useless, the solo AV guy solo'd a 2mil tank, no teamwork If infantry are next to useless, they're doing it wrong, and/or you aren't coordinating with them. Tell them the direction you got hit from, ask a sniper to check that direction.
There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.24 21:29:00 -
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it doesn't really matter what type of tank fitting you have, if your a GOOD tank driver, youl survive nearly every battle. |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.24 21:40:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:They are some of the worst fits i have seen in a long time
Are you serious?
You have to be trolling, only way some would put up really bad fits is to get other HAV drivers to use em so they get easier kills
that is irrelevant, they work for me in the way I can drive tanks and I can destroy nearly everything with them |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.24 21:42:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Void Echo wrote:Hello, I have been seeing a lot of tank posts in the forums asking to nerf AV and militia gear when they say that they were killed in their gunnlogi or sagaris. I understand you, I honestly understand where you are on this and your right some of the AV equipment is OP BUT not as much as you think. like how the forge gun can do more damage than a prototype railgun, and how AV grenades give too much damage for being able to be resupplied fully within 5 seconds.
A well skilled tank driver can last an entire match also without losing more than half of the shields or armor they have, iv done it countless times also, BUT I know how to drive an armor tank where it doesnt take damage but I can give damage
I drive a Gunnlogi, a Madrugar and a Surya (going after the Sagaris now)
these are my fittings:
Madrugar-
1 Heavy IG-L Polarized armor repair 1 180 reinforced nanofiber plate 1 60 mm reinforced steel plate 1 60 mm reinforced nanofiber plate 1 carapace armor hardener
2 supplemental shield amplifiers
2 20GJ stabilized neutron blasters 1 80GJ scattered neutron blaster.
Surya- (this fitting is best used when your in a full squad of infantry support)
1 light IG-L polarized armor repair 2 180 mm reinforced polycrystalline plates 1 60 mm reinforced nanofiber plate 1 beta powergrid expansion unit
2 azeotropic ward shield extenders 1 azeotropic coolant pump
2 20GJ scattered ion cannons 1 80GJ ion cannon
Gunnlogi- (I use this as a sniping fit and seldom a close combat)
2 azeotropic ward shield extenders 1 shield amplifier 1 heavy clarity ward shield booster
2 20GJ compressed particle accelerators 1 80GJ compressed particle accelerator
the other 3 slots are used with something that gives an edge.
my shield tank has only 4225 shields yet I can do the same amount of damage as a sagaris because I know how to drive it.
To the new tank drivers that are complaining about getting killed from militia AV or free AV stop already, it wont be long before they get rid of the OP AV equipment and balance the rest out.
its you whiners that are giving the good tank drivers a bad name and rep.
if you can go solo driving a tank in pub matches, all the power to you because not a lot of blues can do that, if you can only survive with a squad, then only bring your tank out when your in a squad of people you trust.
this is NOT sympathetic towards the AV players or assault players, im just tired of seeing all these posts in the forums increasing the negative view on tank drivers "wanting to keep their auto-win button". tanks are NOT an auto-win button, a poorly skilled driver will get the most advanced tank destroyed if he gets in the pilot seat, and the most poorly fitted tank can win a game if a highly skilled tank driver gets in the pilot seat.
and those of you assaulters and AV players that want to separate the driver from the gunner, stay quiet and keep your hands down, that's just another way of you asking for tanks to be nerfed even more. I am NOT going to allow a random blue dot to get in my main cannon and start shooting at will, no, if that does happen, tanks will officially be useless.
ITS NOT THE TANK THAT WINS, ITS THE EXPERIENCED PILOT THAT WINS. Almost got you the other day. That madrugar you killed was my glass cannon with damage mods. I was experimenting why would you interrupt it!
because its the game, I see a tank, I do what I can to destroy it with mine. |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
173
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Posted - 2013.04.24 22:02:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:@Void Echo
It lives every game cause u have infantry support not because of tht tank fit. you tell ppl to use tht and ppl will die. And complain about AV even more. Tht fit is not good. Do you even care what other people do? Aren't you the one that told a new tanker in Tanks R Us channel that he should fit his madrugar with shieldboosters and Large missile launchers? no. but i saw it and it was a jk. seems u lack any sense of fun. i would say humer but i don't know how to spell it and i'm to lazy to find out. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
140
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Posted - 2013.04.25 00:28:00 -
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If you don't have a keyboard and at least 4 mil into tanks, you can't make it profit off of it. As things are now, 1% of tankers are able to make a living off of pure tanking. It shouldn't be this hard. |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.25 00:53:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:If you don't have a keyboard and at least 4 mil into tanks, you can't make it profit off of it. As things are now, 1% of tankers are able to make a living off of pure tanking. It shouldn't be this hard.
6.8 mil sp invested into tank driving with no keyboard. |
Icy Tiger
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
1210
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Posted - 2013.04.25 01:01:00 -
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Void, stop that's a horrible tank fit, I don't know why you put on two shield extenders, and a PG expansion (Beta one wtf it's useless), without any hardeners or resists.
Also, let's say you have a good fit, just wait until you have a good AV team on the other side. The fact that a guy wearing a 50 k suit can completely disable a tank and hold it at bay from across the map is ridiculous, you say "use infantry help", but he doesn't need it, and he's high up there so there's practically nothing you can do unless one of your redline snipers get their head out of their asses.
Also, a forge gunner can charge up, jump out, and shoot, and jump back into cover.
Next time my tank does that, let me know. Until then, tanks are beached whales against half-decent AV. |
Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.04.25 01:07:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Void, stop that's a horrible tank fit, I don't know why you put on two shield extenders, and a PG expansion (Beta one wtf it's useless), without any hardeners or resists.
Also, let's say you have a good fit, just wait until you have a good AV team on the other side. The fact that a guy wearing a 50 k suit can completely disable a tank and hold it at bay from across the map is ridiculous, you say "use infantry help", but he doesn't need it, and he's high up there so there's practically nothing you can do unless one of your redline snipers get their head out of their asses.
Also, a forge gunner can charge up, jump out, and shoot, and jump back into cover.
Next time my tank does that, let me know. Until then, tanks are beached whales against half-decent AV.
the last 2 sentences I agree with, the rest is irrelevant because I use these fittings and I survive and I kill with them, almost every tank driver in this game has a fitting of their own individuality. these fittings work well for me because of how I drive tanks. im tired of people saying my fittings suck, personally I don't care if it does to you or not, its MY FITTING NOT YOURS, I know how to use it and I know how to drive. |
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