DUST Search - Discussion on True Merc Corps and Planetary Conquest

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Vaerana Myshtana wrote:

Hmm...

Well, assuming an average district has 300 clones to start with and the attacker gets a 2/1 KDR and blows up the MCC before or at the 150 defender clone mark...

Attacker buys 150 clones for 80,000,000 ISK and attacks.

Biomass:
Defender loses 150 clones. Attacker loses 75 clones. Biomass = 225 clones * 80,000 = 18,000,000 ISK
Resale:
Attacker steals 40 clones and keep 75 of the original. Resale = 115 clones * 100,000 = 11,500,000 ISK
Loot:
Hard to quantify right now. Use it to round up to nearest 5M ISK.

Total: 29,500,000 ISK (Round to 30M)

So, a purely Merc corp with no districts of its own would need to charge 50M ISK for a single attack.

That, of course, presumes that some form of payment could take place.

ur price of 50M just breaks them even on the original 80M they spent on the attack
ur also not factoring gear losses that would need to be reimbursed/covered as part of the fee + merc corps need to make a profit not break even or make losses.

Merc work on DUST i forsee being very expensive as most top tier corps who plan to do some form of merc work will no doubt plan to use their best available gear as well, after all ur being paid to do a job so u will wanna go all out.

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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 310	Posted - 2013.04.29 12:02:00 - [31] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Mercs can deddfinitely shaft you as well...if paid up front. They can make a deal with you and at the same time, accept a contract from the opposition. "Whatever he's paying you, I'll double it". But a smart merc can play both sides at once to get the best deal but it doesnt mean that it the best deal in the long run since your rep could easily be ruined by greed A merc which holds himself and corp to the contract has honor and it can go along way Problem is tho how does the merc get the money, atm we cant give random mercs money so unless the enemy put it into his account then he could go for it if he wanted, or he could say no or he could say yes get the money and then no, or get the money tell the original corp x has paid y more that you what is your counter offer? 1 merc doesnt make much of a difference, but a merc corp can basically shaft you and give the district up as a consequence
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors O.M.N.I. Initiative 385	Posted - 2013.04.29 12:24:00 - [32] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Hmm... Well, assuming an average district has 300 clones to start with and the attacker gets a 2/1 KDR and blows up the MCC before or at the 150 defender clone mark... Attacker buys 150 clones for 80,000,000 ISK and attacks. Biomass: Defender loses 150 clones. Attacker loses 75 clones. Biomass = 225 clones * 80,000 = 18,000,000 ISK Resale: Attacker steals 40 clones and keep 75 of the original. Resale = 115 clones * 100,000 = 11,500,000 ISK Loot: Hard to quantify right now. Use it to round up to nearest 5M ISK. Total: 29,500,000 ISK (Round to 30M) So, a purely Merc corp with no districts of its own would need to charge 50M ISK for a single attack. That, of course, presumes that some form of payment could take place. ur price of 50M just breaks them even on the original 80M they spent on the attack ur also not factoring gear losses that would need to be reimbursed/covered as part of the fee + merc corps need to make a profit not break even or make losses. Merc work on DUST i forsee being very expensive as most top tier corps who plan to do some form of merc work will no doubt plan to use their best available gear as well, after all ur being paid to do a job so u will wanna go all out. Also, whatever salvage you do get can't be sold or traded yet. So you might as well all be what everyone else is (shield tanking AR user) so that you can actually use what you get in salvage. Otherwise if you are mainly a tank driver, or logibro, you are screwed when you will be getting crap you never will be able to use.
Jaiden Longshot Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 281	Posted - 2013.04.29 12:47:00 - [33] - Quote It's true that there will not be a contract system in place to make this job any easier but it is far from difficult to forsee mercenary work being able to fund a corporation. Forms of payment at launch: Dust ISK - Obvious EVE ISK - If you have an EVE toon and this isn't an acceptable form of payment then you are doing it wrong Services - You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours Forms of payment (in the future): ISK Services Gear AUR? Territory I'm sure someone can come up with some more creative forms of payment as well. More importantly, there are plenty of ways to make the ISK than people are considering. District Acquisition - You take this district for us and then hand it over for a fee. We need help - Power Block A vs Power Block B and you're looking to turn the tide, you're block is struggling, or maybe you just want to use all resources available to achieve victory Griefing - We don't like this corp. Please make it suffer. Extortion - I'm just going to sit here and pound on your districts until you make it worth my while to stop Campaign - So, your corp/alliance is big enough to take a planet and defend it but it is simply more cost effective to bring in outside help to speed up the process. Again....plenty more I'm probably leaving off. The point is that, as long as there is conflict, there will be work for mercenary corps and individuals. The key to this being lucrative is determining if you can complete the task, negotiating the fee and setting the payment parameters. One simple example for acquisition comes to mind for those of you wondering how it could work: Power Block A hires Merc Group 1 to take Ikoskio X District 4. Merc Group 1 suggests that the task can be completed in 1 attack and therefore suggests the following: Power Block A will pay Merc Group One 100 Mil ISK up front for the attack (80 Mil to cover the Geno pack and 20 Mil for gear). Merc Group One will obtain the district, retain through stasis period, and then remove all clones except 1 upon payment of the completion fee of 100 Mil ISK. Right about now some of you are thinking nobody is going to pay that in Dust ISK....On day 1, I would agree with you. On day 60 there will be plenty of ISK in Corp wallets. To Dubbs point of screwing someone over....Yes, it is possible. Just as it is possible in all other aspects of the meta. The difference here is that your actions have repercussions and if you want to be successful mercs for a long time, then you complete your contracts at a high rate and do so with some level of professionalism or else your business will not succeed.
Yay Adski Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 198	Posted - 2013.04.29 13:02:00 - [34] - Quote Hopefully there is work for solo mercs like myself.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 538	Posted - 2013.04.29 14:40:00 - [35] - Quote Somehow we managed to snag the first Real Mercenary Contract for Planetary conquest. The following is quoted from the Contracters link found in the first post of this thread. Good luck to all trying to market themselves as Hiranle Mercs. It is possible. IRuby Heart wrote: Lmao This is great, This guy contacted me in game as well. He is legit, the OP is an alt of course but I'm sure you guys can understand why he posted under an alt instead of his main. lol Thank you guys for passing up an easy opportunity with your elite prices and irrational thinking. PC isn't even out yet and you had guys coming to you first and foremost ready to give you Cash up front for Protection they might not even need, you passed it up and I have to thank you guys personally. We just settled on a 100 Million ISK contract for 10 battles. If a district is lost while we were participating in it's defense we will refund 10million for the cost of the battle plus an extra 5% on top for the Inconvenience. Contract expires 6 months after PC is released. Easy cash Anyone else looking for protection for their Districts contact me in game. DIOS EX. Will be happy to aide you in your plight for conquest at a negotiable and affordable price. Quote: You have to think rationally here guys, PC isn't even out yet and we had someone looking to pay for a Contract. The fact that his Corp may not even need our guys to intervene, let alone 10 times is highly likely. We also considered the fact that even if he loses 1 or 2 districts he will most likely stop there as to not accrue anymore losses. The proposal of a set-up is highly unlikely. That would be a LOSS for him not us. We settled for 100million to attract more customers by the way. You have to start somewhere. Do you guys honestly think Corps are going to want to pay 80 Million ISK just for the District and then 200+ Million for Protection on Less than 10 Games? If you know of any Corps that are willing to do that let me know, I'd be glad to contact them personally. OP if your reading this do not worry, We are still committed to Fighting for you as hard as we can. I just felt it was necessary to put these qualms to rest.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 238	Posted - 2013.04.29 15:22:00 - [36] - Quote Yo, I'd appreciate our input in this thread [url]https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=695970#post695970[/url] there is a link to a more evolved idea in that thread... I want to be a true merc. I don't want to give any faction my loyalty beyond what they can afford to keep. I don't know with PC if being a true merc will work out though.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 238	Posted - 2013.04.29 15:37:00 - [37] - Quote You guys are raising a lot of issues I want to address with the creation of a "Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission" (it's from battletech. We need a player created and ran system that evaluates and guarantees mercs and merc companies. Where highly respected experts rate each individual merc and merc company. Higher ranked mercs can charge higher premiums for their services. Going through this guild like system will give some measure of insurance to those who will hire mercs. Ringers are going to be VERY in demand I think, because not every corp can field 16 top notch players every single day, and having one of your less skilled soldiers in the fight could well lose you that district.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 297	Posted - 2013.05.14 09:07:00 - [38] - Quote bump


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