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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:34:00 -
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Well its time to burst some of the modded controller using bubbles. To prevent that the scrambler rifle ends up as another version of the former OP tactical assault rifle they decided to put a overheat function on it like with HMG's and laser rifles. Difference is that it is semi automatic and with that its the first semi auto weapon with overheat function. Knowing that you either wont be aible to shot or even worse take damage when the thing overheats. So CCP actually learns from their mistakes and searches for alternative ways to balance weapons that have the potential to get exploited by such scrubs. Brilliant. |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
170
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:43:00 -
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Aye atleast you have the ability to switch to a secondary... Like me the idea is- using a carthum scrambler rifle, when it is almost about to overheat, I can switch to my Carthum scrambler pistole. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
108
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:45:00 -
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I not good at programming but couldn't they just put a piece of code in that only allows for a certain amount of trigger pulls per second, there has to be a limit that a human can do when compared to modded controllers. I do know electronics and logic programming and I have written lines where if a button is pressed more x times in a given time period then it is ignored. Is this not an option? |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:52:00 -
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Overheat sucks. Sure, we've conquered space travel, but making reliable weapons? Not interested. How about lasers should start strong, and the beam weakens over a few seconds. Hmg should have quicker reloads, but more often. |
Higgs flagrantfool
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:46:00 -
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If done right, yes, over heat has the potential to get rid of the mod scrubs (I just hope they did it right). IMO, what would need to be done, is for the over heat to be time sensitive between button repetitions. That is to say, the faster one pulls the trigger the more heat build up generated between rounds fired. Then all that is required is to take an average of how fast several human beings can pull a trigger, as an acceptable base for button press speed, then set the heat build up to function at nominal with these figures, and any button presses at a faster reputation than nominal would very quickly over heat the weapon; and there you have it, goodby mod scrubs.
*crosses fingers* |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
78
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:53:00 -
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Maybe they put it in because the weapon is really good and they needed a way to balance it? |
Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
432
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:54:00 -
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I'm looking foward to the scrambler rifle I love seni autos in almost every game I play.
I've gotten very good at hittifng the button really fast.
It will be awesome to manage heat and rapid fire semi auto fire... |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:10:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well its time to burst some of the modded controller using bubbles. To prevent that the scrambler rifle ends up as another version of the former OP tactical assault rifle they decided to put a overheat function on it like with HMG's and laser rifles. Difference is that it is semi automatic and with that its the first semi auto weapon with overheat function. Knowing that you either wont be aible to shot or even worse take damage when the thing overheats. So CCP actually learns from their mistakes and searches for alternative ways to balance weapons that have the potential to get exploited by such scrubs. Brilliant.
Your posts are always so angry Cheer up little guy
I guess we will to wait and see if it is actually an issue. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
553
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:17:00 -
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Going frame by frame, the scrambler rifle has crazy DPS, and destroyed someone in three shots happening in less than a second. So the overheat mechanic is there to balance it, not because of modded controllers. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
88
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:39:00 -
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Lazy Scumbag wrote:Overheat sucks. Sure, we've conquered space travel, but making reliable weapons? Not interested. How about lasers should start strong, and the beam weakens over a few seconds. Hmg should have quicker reloads, but more often.
If you're going to use lore to argue against something, please read up on it first. The weapons you are using are far more powerful than an unshielded human would normally be able to use - the laser rifle, for example, generates so much heat that it would fry anyone not in a dropsuit.
If lasers started strong there would be even more QQ on the forums about them, and the HMG ammo clip is fine.
To OP: Yeah, it's quite nice to see. |
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Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:44:00 -
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Speaking as someone who used the Tactical Assault Rifle with an un-modded control (and still do) it's not that hard to throw it into 'panic mode' and hair trigger it. Just hold down the trigger and barely lift your finger off of it, straining the muscle and 'twitch firing' the weapon. Can put a lot of rounds down range in a short amount of time.
That and the scope is just better than the iron sights... |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
125
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:23:00 -
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Lazy Scumbag wrote:Overheat sucks. Sure, we've conquered space travel, but making reliable weapons? Actually, if you were to look at the flavor text of the Scrambler Rifle (which I did from SiSi), it's interesting that there's many flaws and unreliable as well as having a high production cost.
Granted, it's flavor text, so it's not going to be "unreliable" gameplay-wise, but I think it adds to the reason of the lore for overheat. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
178
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Posted - 2013.04.22 18:43:00 -
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amarr dropsuit, -25% reduction to heat build up for laser weapons
my mouse + rapid fire button + scrambler rifle = enjoi |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
462
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Posted - 2013.04.22 18:52:00 -
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I like the overheat as mechanic on the scrambler.
I suggested this be added on the tac, starts over heating if a certain rate of fire is exceeded. This helps balance both for modded controller and people with amazing trigger speed.
I looked into the speed a finger can pull the trigger, from paintball site "Additionally, many people can't move their fingers fast enough to fire more than about 10-12 BPS. Many players claim that they can fire over 20 BPS", "Most players with mechanical guns never will shoot faster than 7-8 BPS"
This works out to 600 to 720 rounds per minute as max for most, few people claim to be able to hit 1200 rounds per minute but not proven. 420-480 probably about normal high rate in a battle. This makes a limit by max speed of trigger pulls hard, since a fast trigger can fire almost as fast a typical modded controller, just much rarer.
I tested my trigger speed vs a modded controller, My trigger finger maxed between 400 and 440. Modded controller at 900 pulls per minute, as this exceeds the coded max of tac ar it ignores 1/2 and fires at 450 rpm. This is not a large difference, and probably about the rate of fire of scrambler rifle, so I should be able to hit max dps with my finger on standard controller, with better heat management then a mod would allow.
Not noticeably slower looking at both on screen, but semi-auto gave me the option of firing at a slower rate adjusting aim by tracers, then speeding up once on target. So, for me semi-auto worked better then full auto modded.
A good way to prevent modded controller in code would be to check the spacing. A modded controller will have Identical interval between each shot, a human will have slight variations. If measured a micro second, a .5% variation could be measured at 500 rounds per minute. If a it checked two identical trigger pulls, then ignored any consecutive pulls that were also identical, a modded controller would fire 2 shots and "jam". A human with 5% variation in speed would have a one in a thousand of a single trigger pull not firing. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
178
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Posted - 2013.04.22 20:01:00 -
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if you can't press a mouse button faster than 15 times per second, you never played the metal gear solid torture scenes on the highest difficulty. |
Kreayshawn Coruscanti
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
196
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:12:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well its time to burst some of the modded controller using bubbles. To prevent that the scrambler rifle ends up as another version of the former OP tactical assault rifle they decided to put a overheat function on it like with HMG's and laser rifles. Difference is that it is semi automatic and with that its the first semi auto weapon with overheat function. Knowing that you either wont be aible to shot or even worse take damage when the thing overheats. So CCP actually learns from their mistakes and searches for alternative ways to balance weapons that have the potential to get exploited by such scrubs. Brilliant. I don't see what makes people think mashing a button as fast as you can is hard. It's nice getting your weapon nerfed because of crybabies who think someone is cheating just because they can do something you can't
Limiting a gun based on a bunch of people who shouldn't be using it in the first place (read: because they suck with it.) is such a stupid idea. |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:32:00 -
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Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well its time to burst some of the modded controller using bubbles. To prevent that the scrambler rifle ends up as another version of the former OP tactical assault rifle they decided to put a overheat function on it like with HMG's and laser rifles. Difference is that it is semi automatic and with that its the first semi auto weapon with overheat function. Knowing that you either wont be aible to shot or even worse take damage when the thing overheats. So CCP actually learns from their mistakes and searches for alternative ways to balance weapons that have the potential to get exploited by such scrubs. Brilliant. I don't see what makes people think mashing a button as fast as you can is hard. It's nice getting your weapon nerfed because of crybabies who think someone is cheating just because they can do something you can't Limiting a gun based on a bunch of people who shouldn't be using it in the first place (read: because they suck with it.) is such a stupid idea.
IKR |
Higgs flagrantfool
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:33:00 -
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Kreayshawn Coruscanti wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well its time to burst some of the modded controller using bubbles. To prevent that the scrambler rifle ends up as another version of the former OP tactical assault rifle they decided to put a overheat function on it like with HMG's and laser rifles. Difference is that it is semi automatic and with that its the first semi auto weapon with overheat function. Knowing that you either wont be aible to shot or even worse take damage when the thing overheats. So CCP actually learns from their mistakes and searches for alternative ways to balance weapons that have the potential to get exploited by such scrubs. Brilliant. I don't see what makes people think mashing a button as fast as you can is hard. It's nice getting your weapon nerfed because of crybabies who think someone is cheating just because they can do something you can't Limiting a gun based on a bunch of people who shouldn't be using it in the first place (read: because they suck with it.) is such a stupid idea.
The reason why simi auto weapons are being nerfed has nothing to do with people crying about anything other than the controller mod scrubs who were cheating with the Tac-AR, and ruined the whole thing for people who were legitimately just really good with the weapon. |
Amarrian Desperado
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.22 22:00:00 -
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Devil's advocate for turbo controllers: it is THE FUTURE and we can have cyborg trigger-fingers capable of applying several pounds of force hundreds of times per minute without ever tiring, or even fire our weapons with direct cybernetic control, no finger action required!
Too bad that won't help when the gun blows up in your hands now |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
116
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Posted - 2013.04.23 06:20:00 -
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Higgs flagrantfool wrote:If done right, yes, over heat has the potential to get rid of the mod scrubs (I just hope they did it right). IMO, what would need to be done, is for the over heat to be time sensitive between button repetitions. That is to say, the faster one pulls the trigger the more heat build up generated between rounds fired. Then all that is required is to take an average of how fast several human beings can pull a trigger, as an acceptable base for button press speed, then set the heat build up to function at nominal with these figures, and any button presses at a faster reputation than nominal would very quickly over heat the weapon; and there you have it, goodby mod scrubs.
*crosses fingers*
I "pulse" my LR all the time and it does build up heat, it is slower than a holding the button but not by much. |
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Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
463
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Posted - 2013.04.23 06:50:00 -
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I like the heat mechanic, it is like you are manually overriding the safe firing speed for more damage at risk to thew weapon, full auto version is set at max safe setting.
Metal gear torture scenes normally required me holding controller in way i could hit it with multiple fingers. I hate the modded controller for fps, I can get better effect semi-auto controlling fire rate, but it will be great for the next metal gear/ resident evil cut scene requiring spamming a key to not die. I hate those scenes, but love the games. I'll just swap my dual shock for the modded genric turbo junk for the scenes, like the move controller to port 2 to beat Psycho Mantis trick. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1268
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Posted - 2013.04.23 10:52:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:if you can't press a mouse button faster than 15 times per second, you never played the metal gear solid torture scenes on the highest difficulty. i played MGS2 on european extreme. I had to put some tissue on my finger and used the left-right slide method on the O button the the PS2 controller. Believe me you generate alot of heat doing that if the tissue wouldnt have beeing there i would had blisters on my fingers. Crazy Hideo Kojima and his annoying moments in that game. |
Nazz'Dragg
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
6
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Posted - 2013.04.23 12:04:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Aye atleast you have the ability to switch to a secondary... Like me the idea is- using a carthum scrambler rifle, when it is almost about to overheat, I can switch to my Carthum scrambler pistole. If it's anything like a HMG you wont be able to do a think before it cools down. Still if it's like a HMG skill level 5, your run out of ammo before you overheat. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2583
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Posted - 2013.04.23 12:35:00 -
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Nazz'Dragg wrote:Geth Massredux wrote:Aye atleast you have the ability to switch to a secondary... Like me the idea is- using a carthum scrambler rifle, when it is almost about to overheat, I can switch to my Carthum scrambler pistole. If it's anything like a HMG you wont be able to do a think before it cools down. Still if it's like a HMG skill level 5, your run out of ammo before you overheat. You may not have read the part I bolded correctly. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
256
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Posted - 2013.04.23 14:16:00 -
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I don't think i have ever come across anyone with a "modded controller" or if i did i beat them anyway. I think this is a figment of the community. |
SherIock Holmes
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.04.23 14:24:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:I don't think i have ever come across anyone with a "modded controller" or if i did i beat them anyway. I think this is a figment of the community.
If your implying its the community's imagination and modded controllers are not existent you are wrong.
I have seen them work, but I wouldn't pay the ridiculous amount to acquire one.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Playstation-Rapid-Controller-Modded-Custom/dp/B00BMQCL3A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1366726985&sr=8-3&keywords=ps3+rapid+fire+controller |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
185
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Posted - 2013.04.23 14:42:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:I don't think i have ever come across anyone with a "modded controller" or if i did i beat them anyway. I think this is a figment of the community. It's not a a figment of the imagination of the community (I presume this is what you meant to say). There are a number of mice and keyboards that can be setup to simulate the pressing of any button a predetermined number of times a second, and have these settings saved onboard. When these are plugged into the PS3, a semi auto weapon can be fired at it's maximum RPM.
One that I have is the Belkin n52te gaming keypad. With it I've been able to have very high rate automatic fire with both the scrambler pistol and the tactical assault rifle. I tried it purely for testing since, I play a heavy and prefer SMGs for sidearms, and, I prefer using a DS3 rather KB/M.
The pad I have has a onboard memory which allows any 1 configuration to be saved and plugged into anything that uses a keyboard and use those settings. The newer version of the keypad though uses cloud storage for the setting and is of no use for the PS3 as it can't access the cloud storage from the PS3. There are plenty of other options though than the Belkin.
Before the tactical rifle was given a high recoil there were players using programmable keyboards and mice and I expect them to come out of the woodwork again for the scrambler rifle. It's a problem for CCP to lock at and try to moderate, but it is most definitely not a figment of the community's imagination. I'd prefer not to talk about these peripherals as I don't want to put the idea in peoples heads that don't know about them, but they are an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed. Staying quiet when some people have been and are very vocal about there being no such things, unfortunately won't fix it. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
185
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:01:00 -
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Any views on the mice and keypad problem? |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
168
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:03:00 -
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there is an overheat feature if u payed attention it has a little small one when he single shots it. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
185
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Posted - 2013.04.24 00:18:00 -
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Yep, I've read the full thread, and I took attention of the overheat feature from when first we saw the weapon in action. I hope it'll limit the potential abuse that the options I gave could enable. Until we play with it we can't be sure it'll work.
Much as the recoil addition to the tac ar worked, I think it was the wrong route. Lower rpm should have been the first attempt. I just hope a similar change doesn't happen to the SR to control abuse. |
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