i'm guessing he's talking about the new minmatar scout suit that seems to be hand-to-hand combat oriented.

I believe that it means the melee attack. As in using you're elbow to smash someone's face in.

Minmatar scout suits will get super-cutting swords that will grow to a length of 10 meters when activated.

I thats just 1 part of it. Melee weapons include novas

What the hack is HAND TO HAND combat in Dust? -____-

wtf ccp...

There are scout suits focused on hand to hand combat, but.... there is only ONE melee weapon. The nova knives are cool, but honestly, some new additions to the melee family could be useful. What about a nice hammer or even a longer two handed blade.

Minmatar scout suits will get super-cutting swords that will grow to a length of 10 meters when activated.

I can't remember what its called but there is a weapon the Minmatar like to use as a axe/hammer that is actually an Amarrian religious symbol kinda like a cross, it would seem fitting for it to make an appearance.

There are scout suits focused on hand to hand combat, but.... there is only ONE melee weapon. The nova knives are cool, but honestly, some new additions to the melee family could be useful. What about a nice hammer or even a longer two handed blade.

I just don't get the whole melee thing....

1.) Why does one of the lightest suits in the game (scout B) get a massive bonus to melee damage? Where is this damage coming from?

2.) Why is melee even somewhat effective at all? I wouldn't roll up to iron man and try to elbow smash him (even if I was wearing similar armor)..... Isn't this the future? Isn't this high technology? Really, we can take a sniper rail gun shot but melee does 130+ damage....? okay....

Melee is just stupid to me right now.

If I had batman spikes on my forearm and they were nova blades, now that I could understand. WTF is up with an elbow smash even denting a dropsuit.

Maybe I'm crazy and just not seeing things but how often do you see:

'x' (melee) 'y'

On the kill feed?

I have a problem with this. When it comes to melee damage, you would think heavies deal the most damage with melee with all that heavy armor and excess belly fat.

It's explained in the description of the dropsuit.

Really? I need your help here then because I don't see it. I'm checking the marketplace and looking at the dropsuit description for the scout.... it mentions servos for enhanced speed and flexibility.

Still though, it would take a pretty awesome write up for me to think it's cool that a melee strike does more damage than the projectiles from most weapons.....

(Edit: I found the write up I think you mean in another post, about the minmitar scout suit. Still though, unless they tune all the melee damage down in general, I still think it's lame that an elbow strike can do so much damage to a dropsuit relative to hits from various other weapons)

Name an effective modern military that regularly uses SWORDS or HAMMERS for hand to hand combat in the real world...


Now explain why you would ever want to do that 20,000 years in the future when you have access to advanced weapons tech and protective dropsuits.


It's a game, I know, but get real.

actually scout suits are not focus on hand to hand combat. the only scout suit that is, is the b series with 285 damage. while i'll agree more weapons would be nice its not something to get about lightly.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/bottle-bash.htm

Even wearing a helmet, you can still take some concussive damage. It's not the elbow that's doing the striking, it's the butt of the gun - even that isn't the most deadly attack you can use with a firearm however. In the military they teach a wide variety of strikes using the weapon, including the barrel of the weapon.

Having servo motors and cybernetic enhancements (something not quite out of the realm of disbelief in New Eden) only compounds that. Now, consider that it only takes about eight-to-twelve pounds of pressure to break your clavicle (collar bone), imagine how much damage could be done with a metal arm-guard of a powered exoskeleton hitting it.

Just saying, looking at the suits - the Heavy has a lot of armor but the rest don't have plates that cover everything... There's a lot of weak points that we can assume are being hit...

Thanks for the post. Good points on the suit coverage, ability to generate force using technological enhancements, and focusing that force through the blunt strike of a weapon. And I agree that using a smaller area to strike (barrell v.s. stock) would just up the damage.

I still remain unconvinced though that the scout suit should generate the most melee damage (reallly it's the b-type I guess) and that in general melee strikes should cause more damage than projectile fire. That's just too much for me - the force generated by a bullet, focused into the small cross section of the projectile.... well, if an AR round does 30+ damage, I just don't see any melee strike doing 130+. And I believe any bullet striking an area unprotected by suit armor would still have a greater impact than any melee strike to that area.

Melee as it stands still doesn't make sense to me and I think it's lame at the moment. If the damage was lower I could get on board. Like 25, 35..... maybe 50 pushing it... assuming a lot of mass could be thrown behind that rifle strike, and a lot of acceleration generated by the suit-arm doing the striking.

Name an effective modern military that regularly uses SWORDS or HAMMERS for hand to hand combat in the real world...


Now explain why you would ever want to do that 20,000 years in the future when you have access to advanced weapons tech and protective dropsuits.


It's a game, I know, but get real.

uh, the U.S. army uses tomahawks. those are basically a combination of the two. the spetznaz is famous for their knife-work which are basically scaled down swords(and have you seen the pictures? that thing practically is a sword, and they can huck those bastards 10 feet while upside down in midair) the ghurkas use the kukri, a knife that is the size of a short sword.

Also, name a modern military that is made of increasingly bored, superhuman, IMMORTAL mercenaries. check the immortal part there, that means we get a free ticket to be stupid on the field, as it literally costs us nothing but the weapons we brought in with us.

I kind of want swords just for the increased melee range they might bring. although, most people disagree on what is beautiful in a sword. To some, a simple broadsword is the height of beauty, to others the ostentatious flamberge is what draws their eye. Personally, I like the katana or a good old fashioned claymore(or a basket hilted one) but still others would see any sword added as a detriment.

It even seems like a decent minmatar weapon design, if it doesn't cut them down, it's still a hunk of metal colliding with the armor, causing concussive(kinetic) damage, and if say, you hit a scout suit, you're going to break the man inside the suit that much faster that you can his armor.