DUST Search - AUR Items and The New Eden Economy

The Robot Devil wrote:

Cai Mo wrote:

Most ideas here to balance aurum item price with ISK prices only makes the aurum process more complex, most likely not the intention CCP had. Their vision seems to be that aurum items should save time, so extra conversions or requirements do not help making it more accessible. They don't even need to balance the prices actually, if low aurum prices would make you spend your money instead.

For dust mercs it does not really matter if items are build from materials or not, since it is not possible to do any production (yet) anyway. It only means for industrials that they have a competitor that is out of their league, one that can control the markets. For CCP it means another conversion-link to manage between money, aurum and ISK (besides the plex-rate in eve) once the markets are merging.

As far as the fear of market manipulations, those will happen, and is a viable tactic in nul-sec warfare, bit more difficult in more secure space due to the size of the markets. Aurum items will also help here in providing a reliable supply (probably in empire space only), and so do all the npc items for now, untill CCP feel secure enough to remove some of them gradually over time as industrials pick up (similar process that happened in space).

Last note, as was said on the live-stream as well, aurum should only buy you time (or cosmetics). Meaning all aurum item (besides boosters) must have an isk counterpart for it with the same statistics (except skill requirement), if you do spot an anomaly do report it so it can be fixed.

My problem with the aur modules is that they come from no where. I understand that right now the market is not player driven but when it is will the air price fluctuate with market forces? Let's say the market is live and I am in a system that only has aur complex mods and they are infinite, this would be p2w because the only option is RL money. If the aur mods where based off of regular mods then there would only be be aur mods if regular ISK mods of the same grade where up for sale.

The short version- aur mods have to be produced from non aur mods or there will be a time that the only mods available are aur and that means pay to play.

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BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 53	Posted - 2013.04.21 09:08:00 - [1] - Quote AURUM items need to get out of Dust514 , im dissapointed and i feel lied by CCP " bu bu iz cosmethicsss". F2P with a catch and that is P2W because CCP needs your money , 60$ for the game is not enough , they need more. Can you say : G R E E D ? In EVE, ISK is BOSS , in Dust514 the BOSS is AURUM. AURUM>>>ISK real $$$>>>imaginary currency FACT
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 53	Posted - 2013.04.21 11:06:00 - [2] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: @big mama Take your rant somewhere else. This is a thread for sharing ideas on how to help merge the aurum items with the economy properly and hopefully give the members of the CPM something to work with as a blueprint for future iterations. This is a not a thread for rants. Any attempts to derail this thread with rants will result in me asking CCP to lock this thread. its not rant , it is a FACT , if you cant face the TRUTH move along
BlG MAMA Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.24 10:34:00 - [3] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Cai Mo wrote: Most ideas here to balance aurum item price with ISK prices only makes the aurum process more complex, most likely not the intention CCP had. Their vision seems to be that aurum items should save time, so extra conversions or requirements do not help making it more accessible. They don't even need to balance the prices actually, if low aurum prices would make you spend your money instead. For dust mercs it does not really matter if items are build from materials or not, since it is not possible to do any production (yet) anyway. It only means for industrials that they have a competitor that is out of their league, one that can control the markets. For CCP it means another conversion-link to manage between money, aurum and ISK (besides the plex-rate in eve) once the markets are merging. As far as the fear of market manipulations, those will happen, and is a viable tactic in nul-sec warfare, bit more difficult in more secure space due to the size of the markets. Aurum items will also help here in providing a reliable supply (probably in empire space only), and so do all the npc items for now, untill CCP feel secure enough to remove some of them gradually over time as industrials pick up (similar process that happened in space). Last note, as was said on the live-stream as well, aurum should only buy you time (or cosmetics). Meaning all aurum item (besides boosters) must have an isk counterpart for it with the same statistics (except skill requirement), if you do spot an anomaly do report it so it can be fixed. My problem with the aur modules is that they come from no where. I understand that right now the market is not player driven but when it is will the air price fluctuate with market forces? Let's say the market is live and I am in a system that only has aur complex mods and they are infinite, this would be p2w because the only option is RL money. If the aur mods where based off of regular mods then there would only be be aur mods if regular ISK mods of the same grade where up for sale. The short version- aur mods have to be produced from non aur mods or there will be a time that the only mods available are aur and that means pay to play. fixed