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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:45:00 -
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One of the main reason I started playing Dust was because of its potential for Esports. Not only could Dust be sponsored by tradition means, but also Eve corporations. However, the whole topic towards Epsorts has seemed to cool down and is hardly even mentioned. When I go to fanfest this year, I plan to hound CCP on dates and future prospects for this awesome type of gaming. Before I do that I just want to lay some ground work and maybe get peoples idea and opinions on the subject.
What is Esports?
Esports(Electronic Sports) is in essence the best of the best playing against each other. Esports tries to incorporate a strong balance between teamwork and individual skill. Maps are very balance and well designed, so no one team has a significant advantage. Furthermore, these events are usually run by third party sites.
Here a list of some:
Game battles
EGL
Fraggednation
and many more
The environment of Esports is to be as balanced as possible. Players rely more on their skill then any given weapon, so expect a possible weapon/Gear ban list.Any gamer looking for the most competitive aspect of a game should participate in E-sports.
ReGnuM can't PC and Corp battles be considered Esport?
The simple answer is no.
Well some corp battle may have the best players facing off against each other. The environment and conditions of these battles can't really qualify as Esports. Here is a couple reasons why.
1. Corp battles player size is too big. More spotlight is focused on the team then the individual.
2. Vehicles. This one of the main reasons why the BF series as whole has trouble gaining MLG spotlight
3. Maps imbalance.
4.Gear imbalance.
5.No diversity in game modes.
Right now DUST 514 is no where near ready for this type of gaming. CCP needs to develop gear and maps designed soley for Esports. Lastly, guys please suggest a way. Any game modes, map design, party size, and weapon ban. I will do my best to note it down, and ask CCP about it. |
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:45:00 -
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Possible Gear/Weapon Banlist |
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:45:00 -
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Other suggestions |
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:56:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:You can't do a true esport out of a skill based game like DUST. It is also why I believe that EVE will never truly be taken seriously as an esport.
I was thinking CCP needs to design a type of gear that can only be used in a Esport gamemode. Something that is not affected by Passive skills.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 23:10:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:One of my thoughts was with arena play give a lot of control to whoever is hosting the match in terms of gear allowed, match type, etc. Heck make it where whoever is hosting the event even control stuff like gravity and "weather".
It seems like for small matches 4 v 4s and 1 v 1s quite popular but would require the creation of special arenas or maps as the OP previously mentioned. You could also add in SP limiters to the characters to balance things out that way. (Lore-wise it would an implant that creates physical and mental limitations to equalize the combatants). Also, specialized weapons and/or vehicles might be nice as well.
I think that some kind of arena play where the field is externally limited and balanced has a place, but I think that Dust can offer something unique in the realm of sporting events by also incorporating open game play. The fact of the matter is that skilling your character, managing your resources, and meta ARE part of the game as well and shouldn't be completely forgotten when considering sporting events.
I think this can actually create even more interest in terms of sports by having events that also allow things like large battles and Eve orbital support. The unpredictability of this type of gameplay can give Dust its own unique flavor in addition to more traditional arena style gameplay. When looking at Dust and sports though I think, if handled properly, the sky is the limit.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 23:41:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:One of my thoughts was with arena play give a lot of control to whoever is hosting the match in terms of gear allowed, match type, etc. Heck make it where whoever is hosting the event even control stuff like gravity and "weather".
It seems like small matches, 4 v 4s and 1 v 1s, are quite popular but would require the creation of special arenas or maps as the OP previously mentioned. You could also add in SP limiters to the characters to balance things out that way. (Lore-wise it would an implant that creates physical and mental limitations to equalize the combatants). Also, specialized weapons and/or vehicles might be nice as well.
I think that some kind of arena play where the field is externally limited and balanced has a place, but I think that Dust can offer something unique in the realm of sporting events by also incorporating open game play. The fact of the matter is that skilling your character, managing your resources, and meta ARE part of the game as well and shouldn't be completely forgotten when considering sporting events.
I think this can actually create even more interest in terms of sports by having events that also allow things like large battles and Eve orbital support. The unpredictability of this type of gameplay can give Dust its own unique flavor in addition to more traditional arena style gameplay. When looking at Dust and sports though I think, if handled properly, the sky is the limit.
TLDR: In addition to arena play have a conquest tournament where teams/alliances compete to take over a tourney planet or something similar.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 23:44:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:There has been a lot of chatter from CCP on the development of an Arena mode with the intent of eSports. I expect the arrival of this feature to come in the build after uprising. Hopefully it will come at the 8v8 size now with more balanced maps and an observer mode.
I was thinking more of a 4v4 rather then an 8v8 |
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Posted - 2013.04.17 01:21:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:I don't understand why people think that FPS in MLG are all about the individual. They are all team games, sure some players might be a star of a team, but without the whole unit working together the star of that team is going to get stomped by the other team working together.
I think your missing the point. Any MLG player is a top tier, when it comes to individual skill. Its this a combination of this teamwork and skill that makes them the best. |
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Posted - 2013.04.17 02:23:00 -
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blue gt wrote:WE LOVE ReGnUM wrote:One of the main reason I started playing Dust was because of its potential for Esports. Not only could Dust be sponsored by tradition means, but also Eve corporations. However, the whole topic towards Epsorts has seemed to cool down and is hardly even mentioned. When I go to fanfest this year, I plan to hound CCP on dates and future prospects for this awesome type of gaming. Before I do that I just want to lay some ground work and maybe get peoples idea and opinions on the subject. What is Esports?Esports(Electronic Sports) is in essence the best of the best playing against each other. Esports tries to incorporate a strong balance between teamwork and individual skill. Maps are very balance and well designed, so no one team has a significant advantage. Furthermore, these events are usually run by third party sites. Here a list of some: Game battlesEGLFraggednationand many more The environment of Esports is to be as balanced as possible. Players rely more on their skill then any given weapon, so expect a possible weapon/Gear ban list.Any gamer looking for the most competitive aspect of a game should participate in E-sports. ReGnuM can't PC and Corp battles be considered Esport?The simple answer is no. Well some corp battle may have the best players facing off against each other. The environment and conditions of these battles can't really qualify as Esports. Here is a couple reasons why. 1. Corp battles player size is too big. More spotlight is focused on the team then the individual. 2. Vehicles. This one of the main reasons why the BF series as whole has trouble gaining MLG spotlight 3. Maps imbalance. 4.Gear imbalance. 5.No diversity in game modes. Right now DUST 514 is no where near ready for this type of gaming. CCP needs to develop gear and maps designed soley for Esports. Lastly, guys please suggest a way. Any game modes, map design, party size, and weapon ban. I will do my best to note it down, and ask CCP about it. by your description I could give a **** less about watching any game that MLG hosts, sounds like really boring twitch shooter **** where every weapon is effectively the same thing. That said yes dust need a lot of work even with out esports although it does need a return of grudge matches.
No need to swear. We get it your a internet tough guy.
Anyways your clearly not cut out for this gaming style if you can't understand weapon balance. |
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