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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:52:00 -
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Well since CCP stole the player founded CPM (under bonus rewards second paragraph) name I guess I cannot use that anymore. 
This week's topic of discussion is how much are you willing to pay for Dust 514?
This is all going to be hypothetical scenarios so to shape up the conversation up a bit Ill lay some grounds.
The current content (as in pertaining to quality of the game not items) of Dust 514 shouldn't be a factor in this discussion there is more emphasis on the long term plans so current content detracts from the discussion.
Hypothetical payer, even if you don't pay a dime for this game in reality fancy us with the notion if you where given the option to spend money on this game what if when where you can use that money for.
Now that the ground is set a bit, time for some discussion topics.
1. What items do you feel is absolutely need or want to spend Aurum on? Give reasons on current, or even new options if you need to.
2. Do you think there is a Dust 514 equivalent to a 'subscription?' Explain why you must purchase these items regularly. Explain so explain what purchases are 'subscription like' or part of that subscription then the price point you would like to pay for it.
3. What items you consider extra purchases? Things outside the 'subscription' and would buy on a whim of need or wants? How long do you see paying for these items? What price factors would they be in order for you to continue to pay them?
4. Would a fair price for consumable based on average user loss of similar items per week be a good base point?
For example a full drop suit fitting made of Aurum costs $5 dollars a week in losses. Give your examples and pricings.
5. Are you more willing to pay for permanent items or enhancements over consumable items? Items like a market licence which can double the amount of items you can sell? Or with current examples the BPOs of militia items? |
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:46:00 -
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added another topic since people keep coining it. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 13:40:00 -
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Keep the responses coming. |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 14:39:00 -
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Added more topics.
Cosmetics
Services
Accessories
and The Red Line |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:22:00 -
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Monkxx wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
10. THE RED LINE - What product, if sold, would upset you the most should it be for sale via arum, (not buy but litterally want to make you quit the game)
BPO items.
I am sorry not to include it originally but can you elaborate on this? |
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:15:00 -
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I understand, it is I just wanted to see where you guys will take things, I didn't want to funnel the conversation to precise, I am giving you guys the freedom to even bring up your own theories and the sorts, its also why my opinion on the subject is kept to myself and I am just randomly throwing ideas onto the table of things.
My stance is officially I would like to see Dust 514 to be fairly funded where you the customer gets the best value for tier time and money and I need this information to better formulate a presentation to CCP on what the price point should be for 'fair value'. |
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:12:00 -
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BlG MAMA wrote:60$ like for a normal game .
P2W is not that popular on consoles and it will never be because people play on console to enjoy and spend some time in a video game not time and money on a regular basis.
P2W is a PC trend sustained by desperate nerds who have time and money to spend in order to win in a video game, im sorry but its the hard cold truth.
Make the game standard price and remove AURUM items making all equals in equipment and separated only by skill.
Game supposed to have "cosmetics" ala skins but alll i see is better items for $$$.
Unfourtunately 'Microtrending' is popularized by EA on consoles, other developers are following suit at the encouragement of Microsoft, Sony, and minorly Nintendo and big publishers including Activision, and even 343 are on the band wangon. You're 5 years behind the curve and if you are not developing a microtrending game you're not going to stay competitive. 60 usd a game is no longer cutting it and console players want MOAR for their game experiences. Expect all your Triple AAA titles to max out 120$ USD an iteration or more. |
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:55:00 -
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BlG MAMA wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:BlG MAMA wrote:60$ like for a normal game .
P2W is not that popular on consoles and it will never be because people play on console to enjoy and spend some time in a video game not time and money on a regular basis.
P2W is a PC trend sustained by desperate nerds who have time and money to spend in order to win in a video game, im sorry but its the hard cold truth.
Make the game standard price and remove AURUM items making all equals in equipment and separated only by skill.
Game supposed to have "cosmetics" ala skins but alll i see is better items for $$$.
Unfourtunately 'Microtrending' is popularized by EA on consoles, Other developers are following suit including Activision, and even 343. You're 5 years behind the curve and if you are not developing a microtrending game you're not going to stay competitive. 60 usd a game is no longer cutting it and console players want MOAR for their game experiences. Full year of call of duty was like 120 USD give or take. Thats one of the many the reason why EA sucks. Stop using excuses for lazy devs that want easy money. Gaming has become an INDUSTRY where developers don't care to make innovative unique games to be remembered for years to come but to fill their pockets with YOUR money in short time with stuff that should be in the game in the first place without EXTRA payment.
Stop making excuses for developers who don't have the money to make sequels you really want to see but nobody wants to buy. You truly cannot run a business on desire alone. I would love to see an Okami sequel, Homeworld, Tie Fighter vs X-Wing and myrads of other games yet those will likely never happen as just about every studio I want a sequel from has been evaporated of every dime they don't have.
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:36:00 -
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There are a small handful of modules that give advantages and why they are not removed is beyond me. |
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:03:00 -
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Yeah the lower fitting specialist weapons (isk) allows me to stack full complex mods even on suits that SHOULDN'T be able to with the same weapon. There is the other side of the coin however that what about when I get a fit that isn't pucker tight? As long as the AUR versions are consistent and don't offer both cpu and grid (they should stuck to cpu only) it may get to the point that a full aur fit would have spare cpu while a maxi skilled character in isk equivalent is cpu tight by 0.1 cpu.
Overall it needs to be looked at from a bigger picture and needs comprehensive look into to see if its clear cut pay.
Also @Big Mama, all the little quips in the world isn't going to change the fact you have no idea on the subject at all. |
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Posted - 2013.04.16 23:11:00 -
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charlesnette dalari wrote:Long list of questions here so not going to answer all specifically.
I have so far spent about 140.00 on dust. I was in closed beta about 2 weeks after it first began, even before eve players were given automatic invites. If not for all the aur refunds and resets we have had I am sure I would have spent more by now.
I plan to spend about 20 per month on average and use it for many different things not just boosters. I hope we get the corp uvt soon and will buy that every month for my corp. I also have had an eve sub for around 7 years and want to keep my expenditure no more than aroung 40 per month total for both games.
I love this game and buy mercs packs and aur as much for the benefit of myself as I buy them to support dust with the hope of a long future. I haven't played any other game (other than eve) since starting dust (i was addicted to Bf3 before dust)and hope to play dust for years to come.
There is really nothing I can think of that I would object to specifically being sold for aur since once the player market opens there really won't be anything in game that couldn't be bought for isk, as well as aur, effectively nullifying pay to win for any item CCP adds after that player market opens.
That's okay feel free to discuss the topic entirely in free form if you feel like you need to. |
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Posted - 2013.04.19 18:38:00 -
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Quick bump to see if anyone else is interested in leaving feedback. |
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Posted - 2013.04.20 05:17:00 -
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Looking for more feedback guys. Keep it coming! Reworded question 4.
Remember free form conversations are allowed and replies to other peoples posts. |
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