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Icy TIG3R
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:01:00 -
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Then you'd better be happy with an SP and ISK reset as well. And probably all AUR items in your inventory and your KDR. Basically, this is due to the fact that you have used the AUR already, having it reset to you would give you 2x the AUR, one half of which you have not "paid for".
Therefore in order to reset the AUR, any SP gained from boosters would be taken away from your account, your Kills and ISK would need to be resetted due to it being gained from AUR items, and you'd basically start fresh over.
AUR Reset = Character Reset.
You make the choice.
Also: I don't really care about the reset or not, I've put in $10 into the game I'm not going to start a whole campaign for $10. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:05:00 -
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Nom nom nom your tears a yummy
'aur refund at commercial release' so um deal with it?
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Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:08:00 -
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You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2558
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:10:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:'aur refund at commercial release' so um deal with it?
He's just pointing out how an AUR refund would go.
No tears, just observations. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1144
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:15:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that. That was on the assumption that there would be a reset at commercial release and that everything from that point would be kept forever, however we are currently at a point where CCP has said their will be no more resets and from now on you keep everything that you've got. It looks to me that people are just trying to get free stuff and gain an advantage over other players. |
Icy TIG3R
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
84
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:22:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that.
I acknowledge that, but then you must be willing to put up with a complete character reset as well if you want the AUR back. That's how it's always worked.
You guys must be mistaken if you thought you'd just get all you AUR back that you used on the same character for double the stuff. |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
159
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:22:00 -
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Or you could email Sony and get a refund relatively easy. And better yet as an apology Sony let's you keep the merc pack items.
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JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:25:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Then you'd better be happy with an SP and ISK reset as well. And probably all AUR items in your inventory and your KDR. Basically, this is due to the fact that you have used the AUR already, having it reset to you would give you 2x the AUR, one half of which you have not "paid for".
Therefore in order to reset the AUR, any SP gained from boosters would be taken away from your account, your Kills and ISK would need to be resetted due to it being gained from AUR items, and you'd basically start fresh over.
AUR Reset = Character Reset.
You make the choice.
Also: I don't really care about the reset or not, I've put in $10 into the game I'm not going to start a whole campaign for $10.
CCP intended on us to use Aurum to buy boosters and also set the rules on resets. Don't blame us blame CCP. We purchased these items to support CCP in the very early stages of this "beta". Don't bully me because I planned ahead and saw the great offer they made to get me to spend my money on a "beta" and supported them wholeheartedly. All we are asking for is for all original terms be kept true. You know a gentleman's agreement. I supported CCP, now when the time comes, they need to do the right thing and honor their promise when I made my purchase. If I bought them after I understand no refund. Simple as that. An agreement is an agreement and expected to be kept. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:26:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that. I acknowledge that, but then you must be willing to put up with a complete character reset as well if you want the AUR back. That's how it's always worked. You guys must be mistaken if you thought you'd just get all you AUR back that you used on the same character for double the stuff.
That's bullying. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:27:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:Or you could email Sony and get a refund relatively easy. And better yet as an apology Sony let's you keep the merc pack items.
Have you done this? if so explain it further please. thanks |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1145
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:27:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that. I acknowledge that, but then you must be willing to put up with a complete character reset as well if you want the AUR back. That's how it's always worked. You guys must be mistaken if you thought you'd just get all you AUR back that you used on the same character for double the stuff. That's bullying. please for the third time, tell me how it's bullying, to get a reset for having AUR refunded, as has happened at numerous stages throughout closed beta. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:29:00 -
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@Gbghg
Exactly as i thought, jealousy. you want to deny people an item they have purchased because of a percieved unfair advantage. Lets punish players because Ccp suck at communication
To the people opposed to the idea of aur refund for closed beta stuffs, why?
Ps why do people think they can add conditions to the sales agreement i have with ccp?
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1146
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:31:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:@Gbghg Exactly as i thought, jealousy. you want to deny people an item they have purchased because of a percieved unfair advantage. Lets punish players because Ccp suck at communication To the people opposed to the idea of aur refund for closed beta stuffs, why? Ps why do people think they can add conditions to the sales agreement i have with ccp? why would i be jealous? i spent -ú30 on this game to get 2 merc packs, and i used the AUR as i saw fit, i got a couple of BPO's and a load of boosters, i'm happy with my purchase, why aren't you? |
Icy TIG3R
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
85
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:32:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:@Gbghg Exactly as i thought, jealousy. you want to deny people an item they have purchased because of a percieved unfair advantage. Lets punish players because Ccp suck at communication To the people opposed to the idea of aur refund for closed beta stuffs, why? Ps why do people think they can add conditions to the sales agreement i have with ccp?
What part of this is not going through your head? IF YOU WANT AN AURUM REFUND, THEN YOU WILL ALSO NEED A CHARACTER RESET, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ITEMS YOU HAVE ALREADY SPENT AURUM ON.
The way that you guys are suggesting it (acting like victims), make it seem as if you want 2x the AUR for half the price. CCP can agree to the "agreement" by resetting your character as they give you the AUR back.
Essentially, this falls to the P2W argument. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:33:00 -
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gbghg wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that. I acknowledge that, but then you must be willing to put up with a complete character reset as well if you want the AUR back. That's how it's always worked. You guys must be mistaken if you thought you'd just get all you AUR back that you used on the same character for double the stuff. That's bullying. please for the third time, tell me how it's bullying, to get a reset for having AUR refunded, as has happened at numerous stages throughout closed beta.
It's bullying because its get the stuff we promised and start back at zero (which they have stated will not happen) or lose it and keep your SP. Simple enough for ya? |
Icy TIG3R
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
85
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:33:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:@Gbghg Exactly as i thought, jealousy. you want to deny people an item they have purchased because of a percieved unfair advantage. Lets punish players because Ccp suck at communication To the people opposed to the idea of aur refund for closed beta stuffs, why? Ps why do people think they can add conditions to the sales agreement i have with ccp?
Sales agreement? Last I checked, they could change it at a whim, and when you press X to agree, make sure you read through the whole thing and how it says that they have the right to substitute anything, anytime. |
Icy TIG3R
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
85
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:34:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:gbghg wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that. I acknowledge that, but then you must be willing to put up with a complete character reset as well if you want the AUR back. That's how it's always worked. You guys must be mistaken if you thought you'd just get all you AUR back that you used on the same character for double the stuff. That's bullying. please for the third time, tell me how it's bullying, to get a reset for having AUR refunded, as has happened at numerous stages throughout closed beta. It's bullying because its get the stuff we promised and start back at zero (which they have stated will not happen) or lose it and keep your SP. Simple enough for ya?
Well, as much as I hate it, that's reality, unless CCP is feeling generous, and I don't know why, they'd be inclined to feel generous. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:36:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Drud Green wrote:@Gbghg Exactly as i thought, jealousy. you want to deny people an item they have purchased because of a percieved unfair advantage. Lets punish players because Ccp suck at communication To the people opposed to the idea of aur refund for closed beta stuffs, why? Ps why do people think they can add conditions to the sales agreement i have with ccp? What part of this is not going through your head? IF YOU WANT AN AURUM REFUND, THEN YOU WILL ALSO NEED A CHARACTER RESET, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ITEMS YOU HAVE ALREADY SPENT AURUM ON. The way that you guys are suggesting it (acting like victims), make it seem as if you want 2x the AUR for half the price. CCP can agree to the "agreement" by resetting your character as they give you the AUR back. Essentially, this falls to the P2W argument.
Read my above response to your post. And its not P2W its them thinking us for supporting them early on kinda like the free million SP no?
Edit: and the bpo's! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1146
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:37:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:gbghg wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:You put in $10 yet I know some people who have put much more than that. More than anything though people bought AURUM in good faith that it was going to be refunded to them at commercial release when the game is out of beta. CCP should honor that. I acknowledge that, but then you must be willing to put up with a complete character reset as well if you want the AUR back. That's how it's always worked. You guys must be mistaken if you thought you'd just get all you AUR back that you used on the same character for double the stuff. That's bullying. please for the third time, tell me how it's bullying, to get a reset for having AUR refunded, as has happened at numerous stages throughout closed beta. It's bullying because its get the stuff we promised and start back at zero (which they have stated will not happen) or lose it and keep your SP. Simple enough for ya? tell me, did you buy a merc pack, which promised you ingame items? did you then recieve those items as promised? if the answer to the above questions was yes, please STFU, you were given what you were promised, no more, no less. your attempt to get more than what you payed for are despicable. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:37:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:Drud Green wrote:@Gbghg Exactly as i thought, jealousy. you want to deny people an item they have purchased because of a percieved unfair advantage. Lets punish players because Ccp suck at communication To the people opposed to the idea of aur refund for closed beta stuffs, why? Ps why do people think they can add conditions to the sales agreement i have with ccp? What part of this is not going through your head? IF YOU WANT AN AURUM REFUND, THEN YOU WILL ALSO NEED A CHARACTER RESET, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ITEMS YOU HAVE ALREADY SPENT AURUM ON. The way that you guys are suggesting it (acting like victims), make it seem as if you want 2x the AUR for half the price. CCP can agree to the "agreement" by resetting your character as they give you the AUR back. Essentially, this falls to the P2W argument.
'aur refund at commercial release'
What part is not getting through your head?
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Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
159
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:39:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:Or you could email Sony and get a refund relatively easy. And better yet as an apology Sony let's you keep the merc pack items.
Have you done this? if so explain it further please. thanks
As per Sony terms I really can't give details on my interaction with them. I can say information is your friend. A copy of terms pre and post change, forum posts from ccp (including dates), etc helps very much when talking to customer service. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
287
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:39:00 -
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I can see CCP thinking should we support the people who actually support us or support those who want to play this game for free? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1147
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:40:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:Drud Green wrote:@Gbghg Exactly as i thought, jealousy. you want to deny people an item they have purchased because of a percieved unfair advantage. Lets punish players because Ccp suck at communication To the people opposed to the idea of aur refund for closed beta stuffs, why? Ps why do people think they can add conditions to the sales agreement i have with ccp? What part of this is not going through your head? IF YOU WANT AN AURUM REFUND, THEN YOU WILL ALSO NEED A CHARACTER RESET, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ITEMS YOU HAVE ALREADY SPENT AURUM ON. The way that you guys are suggesting it (acting like victims), make it seem as if you want 2x the AUR for half the price. CCP can agree to the "agreement" by resetting your character as they give you the AUR back. Essentially, this falls to the P2W argument. 'aur refund at commercial release' What part is not getting through your head?
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:According to Sony Terms of Service, the sale and the terms involved is no longer valid.
Most Terms of Service are worded in such ways to prevent frivolous lawsuits like this.
Also the wording doesnt say AUR, it says items not currency.
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Icy TIG3R
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
85
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:41:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:I can see CCP thinking should we support the people who actually support us or support those who want to play this game for free?
How about both? Only take away SP gained from boosters, you'll have the respec anyways, take out any AUR items from assets, and refund it. Most balanced way. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:43:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:I can see CCP thinking should we support the people who actually support us or support those who want to play this game for free? How about both? Only take away SP gained from boosters, you'll have the respec anyways, take out any AUR items from assets, and refund it. Most balanced way.
How about you mind your own damn business and stop attempting to add conditions to a sales agreement i have with ccp? |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
287
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:44:00 -
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I guess you didn't read the agreement or like being short changed. If they did not promise a reset on commercial release I would not be here discussing it. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1147
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:45:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Icy TIG3R wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:I can see CCP thinking should we support the people who actually support us or support those who want to play this game for free? How about both? Only take away SP gained from boosters, you'll have the respec anyways, take out any AUR items from assets, and refund it. Most balanced way. How about you mind your own damn business and stop attempting to add conditions to a sales agreement i have with ccp? how about stop spamming the forums with your greedy attempt to get more than you payed for. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
287
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:45:00 -
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Icy TIG3R wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:I can see CCP thinking should we support the people who actually support us or support those who want to play this game for free? How about both? Only take away SP gained from boosters, you'll have the respec anyways, take out any AUR items from assets, and refund it. Most balanced way.
Dude I luv ya but where I'm from your word is your word. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
287
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:47:00 -
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Can we all blame CCP for not squashing this much much sooner? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2562
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:49:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Dude I luv ya but where I'm from your word is your word.
And where I come from, a legal binding document is a legal binding document, and not understanding the terms in which you agreed to doesn't suddenly nullify your commitment to the terms that you agreed to.
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