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vmlinuz78 Les Baleines sous Graviers Squale Operation Empire 5	Posted - 2013.04.09 09:46:00 - [1] - Quote Hi everyone, Hi CCP dev team, I hope I don't do double post on it, because I didn't find it but in the case, don't hesitate to move my post. Now that will have Planetary Conquest, and regarding the real 'danger' for small corp to engage their player into Planetary Conquest, due to the clone pack price and all arround small player team issue, I would to ask for something that should come with next release. My corporation is today Eve and Dust represented, even if born on Dust side. Our Mercenaries are so excited since Planetary Conquest hes been announced that we focused on how to handle it and we thought to be able to manage it. At 20M isk clone pack it was hard challenger, for us due to small player team online at same time each day. But since the last announce, we are know face to real issue : 80M isk... very expensive cost for us to start PC alone. So we thought that Alliance could solve our problem. But...Even if other Dust corp agree to join our Alliance, I'm face some of irritent issues. Fist, How a full Dust corp can apply to our Alliance ? (they cannot actually do it from Dust, they need Eve CEO...) So ok, I have a solution which is quite ok. If they want to join us, they can give us 10 minutes of CEO role to apply our Alliance (from our dedicated player which will only do Alliance apply operation for them). How ? These mercenaries corporation agreed with us to say ok: we'll accept your Eve player to become CEO of our corp to do the Alliance Apply. And to be safe we'll move our corp isk to actual CEO player to be sure you'll not take our isk, before giving CEO role to your player. And doing this, trust established between both parts, we could have simple way to enroll Dust corp to play with us. And because we want more player with us, we thought to offer the 1st month Alliance fees to this corp. Then they will stay with us and pay CONCORD, or they will have choice to leave. We are very fair player team and cool team, no ? yes it the fact. But again a question is coming ... How they will be able to pay CONCORD once the first month ending ? They could pay but how ? no isk between Dust and Eve today, nor in the announce with next release, so ?? Should my dedicated Alliance player have to become again CEO, pay tax and then give back CEO role to the friend corp ? Boring time, really... An other thing that comes up with this. Even if they join us in Alliance, and they are able to pay CONCORD and stay with us, if they don't have enough isk to have their own clone pack, we Would be able as a real fair play alliance to offer them cone pack, but we can't... Once again, isk from/to Eve and Dust is not open... So that mean, we have to do nothing, leave the game and choose another one ?? no I don't know and they don't know because they believe in CCP reactivity. So please do something for next May, 6th. or explain us your plan. That would be really appreciate, that PC is not just in the hand of Top 50 corporations. Thanks a lot. Run and Fly safe. Linuz Vip. CEO Les Baleines sous Graviers
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 215	Posted - 2013.04.09 09:59:00 - [2] - Quote And now post your request into requests section of the forum?
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 39	Posted - 2013.04.09 10:44:00 - [3] - Quote as a small corp Inf4m0us has been looking at PC very closely deciding what we will and wont be able to do. we have a core team that is extremely active though and each of us donating 2 mil a week to corp is so easy its not even funny. some of us have huge stockpiles of isk, some of us dont. but all of us know how to run games in cheap fits to make isk so we can donate to our future PC efforts. I suggest you set up something similar in your corp, there's still nearly a month left and people donating just 100k every day they play is MORE than enough for any size corp to get into PC
vmlinuz78 Les Baleines sous Graviers Squale Operation Empire 5	Posted - 2013.04.09 11:00:00 - [4] - Quote I agree with you and it's something that we started internaly, but what's about smaller corp like 2/3 players who want join us and fight with us, if they cannot do that and want to keep their identity, they will have no chance to come in alliance, pay monthly 2M isk to CONCORD and the first clone pack is quite bit expensive for them. We would help them, but we can't do nothing. And for us, it's still big challenge to keep the district... see Cazaderon calculation in PC post, you will understand that there is something bad at this time. ++ Linuz VIP
Mr Gloo Gloo What The French CRONOS. 49	Posted - 2013.04.09 11:08:00 - [5] - Quote Team with 2-3 members must NOT be able to be involve in PC, as you need to fill 16 players every single day at the same time for just 1 district. If an average corp with 24 members can't fill 80M ISK in 2 weeks, they won't be able to sustain the PC cost (cf bc's costs, and that's just 8vs8...) Add ISK transfer between EVE and DUST is a non sense as they have already some trillion of ISK, and it's hard to hit the billion in DUST. That will kill the game. PC will be open for small/medium corp/alliances when other regions will be available.
vmlinuz78 Les Baleines sous Graviers Squale Operation Empire 5	Posted - 2013.04.09 12:18:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Gloo Gloo wrote: Team with 2-3 members must NOT be able to be involve in PC, as you need to fill 16 players every single day at the same time for just 1 district. Sure but as exemple, if we do 4 corps (in alliance) with 4 players per corp average playing at same time = 16 player on line to keep 1 disctrict. In this way, the district should be owned by the Alliance, and the Alliance should own clone made there, then be able to redistribute them to corps of the Alliance who need them. This could open real interaction between Dust corp and motivate them. Mr Gloo Gloo wrote: Add ISK transfer between EVE and DUST is a non sense as they have already some trillion of ISK, and it's hard to hit the billion in DUST. That will kill the game. Not sure it will kill the game. It depend your position. Mine is in Eve, as CEO of the corp (It's better place for me here, than loosing time in FPS where I'm definitively poor killer), and I want to be sure my Mercenaries will be able to play PC. Opening isk will just push Dust only corp to work closely with Eve corp. This will start real interaction. Not only for Eve player to do orbital stikes, because they have to wait until they receive request to fight, taking risk to be fight on Eve site by other Eve players, But also for Dust corps who could receive corp or alliance benefits. When district will be owned by Merc., the corp Eve side will have bonus on POS production timer and POS fuel usage, so they have interest to be sure Dust Merc. have enought money to keep district. Not opening isk transfert is for me not giving motivation for Eve nor for Dust to play both to achieve same objective. But I agree that it could decrease motivation for top 50 corporations who are Dust mercenaries only. So think Eve and Dust, both in same way, and tell me why in this way this will kill the game, because here, I don't see. Mr Gloo Gloo wrote: PC will be open for small/medium corp/alliances when other regions will be available. Probably, but here this mean to give to powerfull corps, of today again, more experience than smaller one, because they will learn in the same time others will wait and lose learning time on how it is better to play in PC. Regards, Linuz Vip
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1285	Posted - 2013.04.09 13:18:00 - [7] - Quote Again, you are missing on a ton of stuff you need to take into account. An alliance is NOT 4 teams of 4 players. That doesnt make any sense at all. Not for PC anyway. What you're offering, dust corp being able to appoint a temporary EVE Ceo is simply something you CANNOT do. What about skills linked to corp management ? What about cooltime between CEO and leaving ? Would that temp CEO need to leave its current corp before taking that role ? No, this is not doable... Worse, it's dumb even thinking about something like that.... Everyone will agree that dust needs to have Alliance tools built in and not have to rely on EVE characters to do the job. Everyone agrees that corps in an alliance should be able to contract battles to each other without using squad leader screwed up system, to exchange districts or clones. But even if we had all this. Creating an alliance has a cost that a small dust corp cannot afford. Getting back on the ISK topic..... Do you have any idea how much ISK lies in EVE ? How many ISK would flow directly into dust and kill the game ? Let me be straight with you mate. Before beta went public, it has been possible for a while on the test server. Result ? You were seeing craploads of proto everything, everywhere. It was a slaughter for anyone who didnt get its ISK supply coming from eve. And what would that change for you ? Even if you could send your money in EVE to buy geno packs, you would find the bigger corps and alliance having even more geno packs. Result would be the same. You miss the main element here : PC is not for every corp. PC is not for a bunch of friends starting dust and going in day one. Just like 0.0 in EVE isnt. As soon as there are player owned land, you enter the harsh reality of New Eden... Fighting without numbers just doesnt cut it. I explained it to you in a different place and you instantly got mad with classic "i know what i'm doing, i dont need lessons" "you dont want us to play" "WTF this, cronos that" and such. So what is the real problem ? How should YOU react ? It's like things dont work for you so they NEED to change ? Guess what : adapt or die. You have corporations in your alliance with 4 members ? Then merge them ! If you're an Alliance leader and you cant push those small unorganized corps to drop the idea of being a corp of their own in this situation, then you're not doing what needs to be done ! And the game isnt to blame for that... I can't believe what i just red...
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 193	Posted - 2013.04.09 13:25:00 - [8] - Quote OP your clan is too small. you guys just don't have the muscle behind the huslte. it's that simple. join a bigger clan and play PC or basically camp out pube rooms and PvE for points, but you won't be seeing the REAL game. this isn't a casual game: putting clan tags on a group of casuals and calling it a "clan" is a surefire recipe for disaster. everyone is gung ho for PC but nobody knows how it works. odds are it's gonna be both time and manpower intensive so really unless you have hardcore full timers online AND have skilled players, not just morons you grabbed from local chat and threw tags on em, it ain't gonna happen for you. thinking that an alliance is gonna get you in the game is just gonna alienate you from the others in the alliance when you guys lose. and you will lose. because you are going to play against folks who have both the players AND the skill base. and they are a team. not a "team". you'll lose and your alliance will break up and youll pull your hair out trying to put it back together again. join a bigger established clan and you'll do ok. maybe. Peace B
Mr Gloo Gloo What The French CRONOS. 49	Posted - 2013.04.09 13:28:00 - [9] - Quote vmlinuz78 wrote: Not opening isk transfert is for me not giving motivation for Eve nor for Dust to play both to achieve same objective. Not opening isk transfert is for you the impossibility to get involve in PC cause you can't farm and sustain enough isk to do so. [quote=vmlinuz78Probably, but here this mean to give to powerfull corps, of today again, more experience than smaller one, because they will learn in the same time others will wait and lose learning time on how it is better to play in PC. Regards, Linuz Vip[/quote] This is true, like EVE is. Welcome in New Eden (and I'm not an EVE player ;))
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1285	Posted - 2013.04.09 13:43:00 - [10] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: OP your clan is too small. you guys just don't have the muscle behind the huslte. it's that simple. join a bigger clan and play PC or basically camp out pube rooms and PvE for points, but you won't be seeing the REAL game. this isn't a casual game: putting clan tags on a group of casuals and calling it a "clan" is a surefire recipe for disaster. everyone is gung ho for PC but nobody knows how it works. odds are it's gonna be both time and manpower intensive so really unless you have hardcore full timers online AND have skilled players, not just morons you grabbed from local chat and threw tags on em, it ain't gonna happen for you. thinking that an alliance is gonna get you in the game is just gonna alienate you from the others in the alliance when you guys lose. and you will lose. because you are going to play against folks who have both the players AND the skill base. and they are a team. not a "team". you'll lose and your alliance will break up and youll pull your hair out trying to put it back together again. join a bigger established clan and you'll do ok. maybe. Peace B THANK YOU

lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 104	Posted - 2013.04.09 14:10:00 - [11] - Quote Just hope that corp with good eve connections will be able to use that force , and that its not just a gimick that will not be allowed to be used to its full .
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 146	Posted - 2013.04.09 14:20:00 - [12] - Quote I've got billions in EVE, I would appreciate isk transfers so I can run Proto all day every day and not even care about anything. "Clone Packs?" I'll take a couple hundred. "MCCs?" Yea give me some of those two. Hmm, wait a second, I am playing dust and I can make like 300k isk in 15-20 minutes. OR..... I could run an Incursion and make like 100M an hour or get lucky running radar and mag sites in WH and make like 800M an hour. Honestly, I don't know if Isk should EVER transfer, the difference of economies is just to big. There is no reason a dustie should ever need 100M let alone 1B+. Even your fully totally awesome fit Proto HAV being driver by your epic Proto suit awesome guy will never come close to the cost of a Eve Cruiser and nor should it. Why would I buy a tank and a proto suit when I could buy a ship the size of a small city and then just bomb your engagement zone back to the stone age.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1286	Posted - 2013.04.09 15:21:00 - [13] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: I've got billions in EVE, I would appreciate isk transfers so I can run Proto all day every day and not even care about anything. "Clone Packs?" I'll take a couple hundred. "MCCs?" Yea give me some of those two. Hmm, wait a second, I am playing dust and I can make like 300k isk in 15-20 minutes. OR..... I could run an Incursion and make like 100M an hour or get lucky running radar and mag sites in WH and make like 800M an hour. Honestly, I don't know if Isk should EVER transfer, the difference of economies is just to big. There is no reason a dustie should ever need 100M let alone 1B+. Even your fully totally awesome fit Proto HAV being driver by your epic Proto suit awesome guy will never come close to the cost of a Eve Cruiser and nor should it. Why would I buy a tank and a proto suit when I could buy a ship the size of a small city and then just bomb your engagement zone back to the stone age. Agreed.
Thor Odinson42 Red Star. EoN. 53	Posted - 2013.04.09 15:59:00 - [14] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: Just hope that corp with good eve connections will be able to use that force , and that its not just a gimick that will not be allowed to be used to its full . I'm not sure why they can't allow some measure of isk to come from EVE. If you are involved in PC or FW (in the future) you should be able to transfer an amount of ISK equal to the amount of ISK the Dust corp and it's members spent on lost items during said period of time. This would exclude bogus contracts between corps to generate funds and it wouldn't bankroll the building of huge inventories of items. I would also exclude clone packs from being "reimbursable" from EVE side. Perhaps they need to come up with a separate currency for Dust. Allowing corporations to use isk on the Eve side to purchase said currency for their mercs. I'm just throwing ideas out here on the fly, but you could make it where this currency had a "gold standard" in that it had to be manufactured from raw materials in New Eden. They could release a set amount to the same NPC corp that is handling the clone packs in order to get that economy rolling then unleash the industry folks.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 927	Posted - 2013.04.09 16:13:00 - [15] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not sure why they can't allow some measure of isk to come from EVE. Think Goon! If you allowed Eve to Dust ISK transfer and if I were II, all I would have to do is spam 16 tanks. Sure I might loose a few battles because the MCC gets blown up, but you will loose clones eventually. Having an endless wallet means insta win. And CCP has learnt its lesson from Eve. That's why Dust has come into the picture to help reset the balance.
Thor Odinson42 Red Star. EoN. 53	Posted - 2013.04.09 16:22:00 - [16] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm not sure why they can't allow some measure of isk to come from EVE. Think Goon! If you allowed Eve to Dust ISK transfer and if I were II, all I would have to do is spam 16 tanks. Sure I might loose a few battles because the MCC gets blown up, but you will loose clones eventually. Having an endless wallet means insta win. And CCP has learnt its lesson from Eve. That's why Dust has come into the picture to help reset the balance. I don't think you read my entire post. You wouldn't be able to get an ISK transfer in the scenario above unless you lost some of those tanks, drop suits, and equipment associated with it. All in all they could just make playing with your best gear more profitable. I don't isk farm and I can't stand running in cheap suits because well, it's just not fun. In my estimation PC is going to become limited to a few Alliances very quickly. We don't know yet how rich this is going to make successful corps. If it's anything like the pub matches I can see individual mercs becoming poor in a hurry. If it's all the top dogs battling it out in PC you won't have any other option but to run in your best "Sunday" suit at all times. Without any access to the Eve economy, they need to open up the isk faucet a little more as we prepare for PC.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 104	Posted - 2013.04.09 17:02:00 - [17] - Quote So where Are the sandbox game , everything goes. There Are infantery gear seeded on the marked in EVE so some production is expected. I can understand that the big corps in dust does not want to much interference from EVE allianses, as long as they dont have to Worry about the second force in the game (EVE) they can do pritty much as they want. Some have connections in EVE some dont.
vmlinuz78 Les Baleines sous Graviers Squale Operation Empire 5	Posted - 2013.04.09 17:25:00 - [18] - Quote So the way it is today is that only top 50 and big corp will be able to run PC. Perfect ? And it's a fact that we have to agree ? Now.. think about this : How many people prefer to play in smaller corp to have real members interaction instead being a 'number' in a big corp ? Do you think people who feel like a number in a very large corp enjoy them ? really ? (it's like big company, people generaly prefer act as someone in smaler company than be part of the mass in large one) So force people to be part of large corp to have the chance run in PC one day per month... This can do the same : kill the game. No ? In Eve if smal corp want FW or Alliance with some others to run war, they can. Why in Dust it should be different ? 4 corps of average 4 players online at same time could do the deal. By the way, tax from/to EVE and Dust should be applied and isk transfert should have limit but be possible. I agree that finding the right balance is quite touchy. Eve corps have Dust wallet hidden today, so why ? If there is no isk interaction, ever, why build kind of interaction between Eve and Dust. And yes I agree that we hope on Eve to produce things for our Dust merc. Linuz
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 148	Posted - 2013.04.09 17:38:00 - [19] - Quote vmlinuz78 wrote: think about this : How many people prefer to play in smaller corp to have real members interaction instead being a 'number' in a big corp ? Do you think people who feel like a number in a very large corp enjoy them ? really ? (it's like big company, people generaly prefer act as someone in smaler company than be part of the mass in large one) Linuz This is why we will probably need to wait for an alliance system or the ability to subcontract PC battles. However as much as I feel sad for you that you won't be able to contribute with a 4 person corp to PC, thats just the way of it. I actually find its halarious enough that 16 people "could" conquer a planet. Probably be more like 50-100. But thats still a ltiny numer. I dare you to take your 4 people and try to conquer Europe or maybe just China, no? How about something tiny like Cuba? As you already know, its not going to happen.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1291	Posted - 2013.04.09 20:30:00 - [20] - Quote vmlinuz78 wrote: So the way it is today is that only top 50 and big corp will be able to run PC. Perfect ? And it's a fact that we have to agree ? Now.. think about this : How many people prefer to play in smaller corp to have real members interaction instead being a 'number' in a big corp ? Do you think people who feel like a number in a very large corp enjoy them ? really ? (it's like big company, people generaly prefer act as someone in smaler company than be part of the mass in large one) So force people to be part of large corp to have the chance run in PC one day per month... This can do the same : kill the game. No ? You take the example of RL big corporations versus small corporations. Some people will prefer working in the small one. But the one with ambition and wanting to play an actual role on the big global market will go in big company. IRL, big company and small one dont play on the same scale. Same goes here. Anyway, i dont see why the will of some players to play in small corps is relevant with accessing PC. And being a 20-40 member corp isnt like you have hundreds of player that dont know each other. Yet it still gives you better chance to fight. Be realistic. A 4 men corp has nothing to do in PC. vmilinuz78 wrote: In Eve if smal corp want FW or Alliance with some others to run war, they can. Why in Dust it should be different ? 4 corps of average 4 players online at same time could do the deal. By the way, tax from/to EVE and Dust should be applied and isk transfert should have limit but be possible. I agree that finding the right balance is quite touchy. Eve corps have Dust wallet hidden today, so why ? If there is no isk interaction, ever, why build kind of interaction between Eve and Dust. And yes I agree that we hope on Eve to produce things for our Dust merc. Linuz No arguing with the alliance tool being needed. But hey beta dude. Which means that this first version of PC is also a BETA. Regarding ISK transfer, just refer to my previous post. When opened during beta people received tens of billions on their account in less than an hour.... Anyway, according to what devs said lately, it would appear they will open it first including a tax to balance dust and EVE value of ISK. Which means that you may, for example, see a rate such a 1 EVE ISK = 0.01 Dust ISK. 1 Billion would then be 10 million ISK. Do you think this will help your alliance ? No, it will again help the bigger ones. Just like any other future additions to PC or dust-eve link. The big groups will always have the upper hand. That's the harsh reality. If you want to defend small corps though. Fight so playing PC to try and hold even one district isnt so unbalanced compared to those who decide to attack. So that if you decide to gather 2-3 small corps to fight as one in PC, you'll get the chance to use all players, defend that one or two district and share the money with the tools you have now.

Draemus Acidborne Inf4m0us 0	Posted - 2013.04.09 20:58:00 - [21] - Quote I think the real issue here is, none of you know what's coming out yet, nor how CCP intends to rectify the dust economy. It very well could become a situation where "Dailies" enter the scene, where corps Big or Small, do engagements against NPC to earn Biomass, or LARGE sums of isk from completing these objectives. It may come down to corp battles paying out more, it may come down to a lot of things, but the inevitability is the exonomy of dust and eve will become one, accept it, embrace it. And small or large, if your corp cannot muster the isk to enter PC, your corp is either too small, or you guys are wasting money on "Uber leet fits" for something ridiculous like random games (where you should be running militia fits and earning cash....if you cannot pump down 2m to your corp a week, i'm sorry you're a casual gamer...too casual. This is an MMO people, and CCP and ESPECIALLY eve, are known for rewarding those who put in the time and the effort....spend the time, spend the effort and wait to see what flows out come may 6....any sort of speculation beyond that is pointless, erronious and most likely going to be wrong. Save your isk, put it in your corp, donate...and then when may 6 comes around see whats what...till then guys, this whole thread seems silly...games not even complete and you all are debating things you still as of yet know nothing about.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 435	Posted - 2013.04.09 22:32:00 - [22] - Quote Cell phone is stupid. I'll fix this on my PC a sec.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 435	Posted - 2013.04.09 22:49:00 - [23] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: What you're offering, dust corp being able to appoint a temporary EVE Ceo is simply something you CANNOT do. What about skills linked to corp management ? What about cooltime between CEO and leaving ? Would that temp CEO need to leave its current corp before taking that role ? No, this is not doable... Worse, it's dumb even thinking about something like that.... Actually, you're stupid wrong about this one Caz. I've personally applied several of ROFL's Dust-centric corps to the alliance using one of my Eve characters. The only requirement is that the Eve character has at least Corporation Management level 1, so that it can take over the CEO position. There is no cool down time between receiving the CEO position and giving it back, though the Eve character will get stuck in the corp that was applied for 24 hours after having been CEO, since it held roles. Laurent Cazaderon wrote: I can't believe what i just red... Talk about it. Better to hold your tongue and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm the suspicion. To answer a few of your original questions, Vmlinuz: (1) As explained above, it's very possible for an Eve player to apply the corporation to an alliance and then promptly transfer back the CEO position and leave. (2) The 2m/month cost of maintaining an additional corporation in your alliance isn't charged directly to each corporation. The net cost is given to the executor corp to pay off. It will be charged in Eve. If you somehow managed to make a corporation with a Dust CEO the executor of your alliance, the alliance would just default on its upkeep costs for the simple fact that nobody pressed the "pay now" button. The only difference between corporations in Eve is what type of character is running them: Dust or Eve. If you're going to start taking on corporations with no Eve leadership into your alliance, I'd suggest just stomaching the pocket change 2mil/month cost.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 142	Posted - 2013.04.09 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote vmlinuz78 wrote: Hi everyone, Hi CCP dev team, I hope I don't do double post on it, because I didn't find it but in the case, don't hesitate to move my post. Now that will have Planetary Conquest, and regarding the real 'danger' for small corp to engage their player into Planetary Conquest, due to the clone pack price and all arround small player team issue, I would to ask for something that should come with next release. My corporation is today Eve and Dust represented, even if born on Dust side. Our Mercenaries are so excited since Planetary Conquest hes been announced that we focused on how to handle it and we thought to be able to manage it. At 20M isk clone pack it was hard challenger, for us due to small player team online at same time each day. But since the last announce, we are know face to real issue : 80M isk... very expensive cost for us to start PC alone. So we thought that Alliance could solve our problem. But...Even if other Dust corp agree to join our Alliance, I'm face some of irritent issues. Fist, How a full Dust corp can apply to our Alliance ? (they cannot actually do it from Dust, they need Eve CEO...) So ok, I have a solution which is quite ok. If they want to join us, they can give us 10 minutes of CEO role to apply our Alliance (from our dedicated player which will only do Alliance apply operation for them). How ? These mercenaries corporation agreed with us to say ok: we'll accept your Eve player to become CEO of our corp to do the Alliance Apply. And to be safe we'll move our corp isk to actual CEO player to be sure you'll not take our isk, before giving CEO role to your player. And doing this, trust established between both parts, we could have simple way to enroll Dust corp to play with us. And because we want more player with us, we thought to offer the 1st month Alliance fees to this corp. Then they will stay with us and pay CONCORD, or they will have choice to leave. We are very fair player team and cool team, no ? yes it the fact. But again a question is coming ... How they will be able to pay CONCORD once the first month ending ? They could pay but how ? no isk between Dust and Eve today, nor in the announce with next release, so ?? Should my dedicated Alliance player have to become again CEO, pay tax and then give back CEO role to the friend corp ? Boring time, really... An other thing that comes up with this. Even if they join us in Alliance, and they are able to pay CONCORD and stay with us, if they don't have enough isk to have their own clone pack, we Would be able as a real fair play alliance to offer them cone pack, but we can't... Once again, isk from/to Eve and Dust is not open... So that mean, we have to do nothing, leave the game and choose another one ?? no I don't know and they don't know because they believe in CCP reactivity. So please do something for next May, 6th. or explain us your plan. That would be really appreciate, that PC is not just in the hand of Top 50 corporations. Thanks a lot. Run and Fly safe. Linuz Vip. CEO Les Baleines sous Graviers you can allways join a bigger corp ;)
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1291	Posted - 2013.04.09 23:21:00 - [25] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Actually, you're stupid wrong about this one Caz. I've personally applied several of ROFL's Dust-centric corps to the alliance using one of my Eve characters. The only requirement is that the Eve character has at least Corporation Management level 1, so that it can take over the CEO position. There is no cool down time between receiving the CEO position and giving it back, though the Eve character will get stuck in the corp that was applied for 24 hours after having been CEO, since it held roles. My bad regarding the tricks jumping corps to corps and being given CEO right each time. Yet i was focused on him suggesting a built in mecanic. But overall, i still think making an alliance (1 Billion cost if i remember correctly) and then adding less than 10 members corps Dust side is not a good move ISK wise. Guess we'll see.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 435	Posted - 2013.04.09 23:25:00 - [26] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Yet i was focused on him suggesting a built in mecanic. Guess we'll see. I agree with you there. We're missing a lot of the pieces of alliance support that simply need to be in the game for obvious reasons. RAWR contracts to alliance mates for PC.
DarkPrometheus Dark Force Katana 33	Posted - 2013.04.10 01:02:00 - [27] - Quote vmlinuz78 wrote: Hi everyone, Hi CCP dev team, I hope I don't do double post on it, because I didn't find it but in the case, don't hesitate to move my post. Now that will have Planetary Conquest, and regarding the real 'danger' for small corp to engage their player into Planetary Conquest, due to the clone pack price and all arround small player team issue, I would to ask for something that should come with next release. My corporation is today Eve and Dust represented, even if born on Dust side. Our Mercenaries are so excited since Planetary Conquest hes been announced that we focused on how to handle it and we thought to be able to manage it. At 20M isk clone pack it was hard challenger, for us due to small player team online at same time each day. But since the last announce, we are know face to real issue : 80M isk... very expensive cost for us to start PC alone. So we thought that Alliance could solve our problem. But...Even if other Dust corp agree to join our Alliance, I'm face some of irritent issues. Fist, How a full Dust corp can apply to our Alliance ? (they cannot actually do it from Dust, they need Eve CEO...) So ok, I have a solution which is quite ok. If they want to join us, they can give us 10 minutes of CEO role to apply our Alliance (from our dedicated player which will only do Alliance apply operation for them). How ? These mercenaries corporation agreed with us to say ok: we'll accept your Eve player to become CEO of our corp to do the Alliance Apply. And to be safe we'll move our corp isk to actual CEO player to be sure you'll not take our isk, before giving CEO role to your player. And doing this, trust established between both parts, we could have simple way to enroll Dust corp to play with us. And because we want more player with us, we thought to offer the 1st month Alliance fees to this corp. Then they will stay with us and pay CONCORD, or they will have choice to leave. We are very fair player team and cool team, no ? yes it the fact. But again a question is coming ... How they will be able to pay CONCORD once the first month ending ? They could pay but how ? no isk between Dust and Eve today, nor in the announce with next release, so ?? Should my dedicated Alliance player have to become again CEO, pay tax and then give back CEO role to the friend corp ? Boring time, really... An other thing that comes up with this. Even if they join us in Alliance, and they are able to pay CONCORD and stay with us, if they don't have enough isk to have their own clone pack, we Would be able as a real fair play alliance to offer them cone pack, but we can't... Once again, isk from/to Eve and Dust is not open... So that mean, we have to do nothing, leave the game and choose another one ?? no I don't know and they don't know because they believe in CCP reactivity. So please do something for next May, 6th. or explain us your plan. That would be really appreciate, that PC is not just in the hand of Top 50 corporations. Thanks a lot. Run and Fly safe. Linuz Vip. CEO Les Baleines sous Graviers The federation of small corps was create to help small corp gain and maintain districts. And also defend them, we are in the process on making and federation bank. Basicly corp create for the sole purpose of being a bank to the alliance ( concept i got from my years of playing wow). our other goal/ motto is quality over quantity.


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