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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:59:00 -
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I only have one problem with laser rifles, and I'm curious if it's all in my head.
When you shoot the ground or a wall, does it build up damage, or is it only when you're on target? |
Kane Brackman
Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
14
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:01:00 -
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as long as the beam is firing it building up in damage |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
59
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:02:00 -
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It builds up damage. I tried it, it's crazy |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
1157
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:09:00 -
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Intended or not, damage is dependant on time-on-trigger rather than time-on-target. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
783
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:14:00 -
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Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
254
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:44:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is.
The laser rifle is fine as it is. If you're going to nerf the gun like this though, you better get rid of the overheating mechanic and associated shield burn to the wielder as well.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
783
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:47:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is. The laser rifle is fine as it is. If you're going to nerf the gun like this though, you better get rid of the overheating mechanic and associated shield burn to the wielder as well.
How is it in anyway a nerf? |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
25
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:51:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is. The laser rifle is fine as it is. If you're going to nerf the gun like this though, you better get rid of the overheating mechanic and associated shield burn to the wielder as well.
like sloth said, its not a nerf when the weapon is not intended to do that in the first place... |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1080
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:55:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is. The laser rifle is fine as it is. If you're going to nerf the gun like this though, you better get rid of the overheating mechanic and associated shield burn to the wielder as well. like sloth said, its not a nerf when the weapon is not intended to do that in the first place...
how do you know that its not currently working as intended? if you have a post from a dev which clearly states that the current damage buildup mechanics are wrong, please share it. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
783
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:55:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is. The laser rifle is fine as it is. If you're going to nerf the gun like this though, you better get rid of the overheating mechanic and associated shield burn to the wielder as well. like sloth said, its not a nerf when the weapon is not intended to do that in the first place...
I originally thought the damage build up was because our suits were unable to dissipate the heat fast enough, but apperantly the damage build up is related to the heat build up.
Quote:The laser rifle is a continuous wave, medium range weapon. Targets are GÇÿpainted' with a high intensity beam that deals sustained, focused damage in a concentrated area to maximize damage potential. At the core of the weapon is the thermal cavity, within which an optic spacer converges and blends three individually pumped beams into a single coherent output. The additional distortion introduced by each beam results in weakened output initially, but as the weapon warms up to mean operating temperature, the wavelength stabilizes and the damage output increases significantly.
Heat build-up is typically managed by a self-regulating failsafe, a device used to forcibly shut the weapon off at regular intervals, flushing heat from its internal workings and preventing lethal feedback to the user, but most laser rifles in the field have been altered to bypass the built-in safety protocols.
Still, I think it's max damage output might be a bit too high... |
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Eltra Ardell
Immobile Infantry
14
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:22:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is. The laser rifle is fine as it is. If you're going to nerf the gun like this though, you better get rid of the overheating mechanic and associated shield burn to the wielder as well. like sloth said, its not a nerf when the weapon is not intended to do that in the first place...
The LR is intended to increase damage with heat. Heat is intended to build up while firing. There is no indication anywhere that it's supposed to only build up heat or damage while on target. Please, don't post falsehoods. It only detracts from discussion. |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
712
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:39:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Intended or not, damage is dependant on time-on-trigger rather than time-on-target.
The description which says it focuses over time or similar suggests it's intended. |
Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
7
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Posted - 2013.04.09 00:54:00 -
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Once a long time ago (back in closed beta) I came across a thread that mentioned that once upon a time CCP Wolfman told people in IRC that the damage formula was something like:
Damage = Base Damage + 0.6 * shots fired
This is third hand anecdotal evidence so take it with several grains of salt.
As a long time laser user I'm pretty sure that damage build up it based on time on trigger not target. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1196
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Posted - 2013.04.09 01:36:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Make it only build up on target, increase base damage, increase rate at which damage builds up. Max damage should be the same as it currently is. The laser rifle is fine as it is. If you're going to nerf the gun like this though, you better get rid of the overheating mechanic and associated shield burn to the wielder as well.
Getting rid of the overheat wouldn't do anything anyway- by the time you get to the ELM-7, it's impossible to overheat.
The only LR I have a problem with is the viziam, and it still isn't as bad as people would lead you to believe- it's just the cramped ambush maps when they're extremely effective. Otherwise, snipers kill them fairly easily; the big beam telling you where the shooter is helps a lot. |
SIRAJKNIGHT
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 01:38:00 -
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Every time I begin a match with my ELM-7 Laser Rifle, first thing I do is shoot at something random, using 100 shots  |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
1160
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Posted - 2013.04.09 02:30:00 -
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Well, the description gives a definite lore explanation or the increased damage over time, so it's meant to be time-on-trigger.
That's good news for a potential laser turret for my dropship. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
107
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Posted - 2013.04.09 03:25:00 -
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i think the laser rifle was made based on bad threories. the descripsion was written for the game mechanics rather than the game mechanics were made to fit lore/science of lasers. the laser does not do more damage becuase its on the target like it should. the laser rifle mechanics were made first base on a simple mathematics then the descripsion was made up to explain the mechanics which is why to agrue, with lore freaks, why the laser mechanics don't work like they should is pointless. btw anything past 25% heat shouldn't have increased damage and anything over 75%heat should have decreased damage based on lore written for it. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2407
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Posted - 2013.04.09 03:27:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:The only LR I have a problem with is the viziam
...which the devs have confirmed to be tweaked back into line with the other LR's damage rate in the next build because that was a mistake. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
72
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Posted - 2013.04.09 09:43:00 -
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I personally don't think the LR is OP but 18 instead of 20 does seem to bring it in line. |
Mobias Wyvern
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.07.06 02:55:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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