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Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:11:00 -
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Would be pretty awesome if a suit came with a pair of wings or future technology, flying equipment such as a high tech jet pack or something built into the suit. |
Cat Merc
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:25:00 -
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no |
Valkreena Haederox
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:29:00 -
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To quote Schlock Mercenary.
You know what we call flying soldiers on the battlefield?
Air support?
Skeet. |
Khamelaya
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:31:00 -
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It's called a dropship... |
Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:47:00 -
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would be something different though what fps has something like that? |
Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:48:00 -
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Khamelaya wrote:It's called a dropship...
Dropships are a no no for me. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:51:00 -
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Chrome HD wrote:Khamelaya wrote:It's called a dropship... Dropships are a no no for me.
then flying is a no no for you.
as it is for me until they implement fixed wing aircraft. |
Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:51:00 -
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Valkreena Haederox wrote:To quote Schlock Mercenary.
You know what we call flying soldiers on the battlefield?
Air support?
Skeet.
Never heard of him... |
Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 06:53:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Chrome HD wrote:Khamelaya wrote:It's called a dropship... Dropships are a no no for me. then flying is a no no for you. as it is for me until they implement fixed wing aircraft.
I never said it was for me just a thought.
but yes flying is a no no for me but ive never tried flying one of those dropships soon though even though i will probably fail at it miserably. |
blue gt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.07 07:07:00 -
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Valkreena Haederox wrote:To quote Schlock Mercenary.
You know what we call flying soldiers on the battlefield?
Air support?
Skeet.
heh good reference. that said a friend and I were just talking about this, like and inertial dampener wing suit would be cool as ****, mean watch these and tell me you wouldn't want to come careening between the buildings at a point, ID in and start fighting.
Dreamliners
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Mithridates VI
DUST 411
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Posted - 2013.04.07 07:12:00 -
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Chrome HD wrote:would be something different though what fps has something like that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_(series)
Present DUST maps are poorly designed for vertical infantry combat. It would render terrain considerations entirely redundant, in which case we might as well just be fighting inside a characterless cube with our jetpacks. |
Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 07:30:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Chrome HD wrote:would be something different though what fps has something like that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_(series) Present DUST maps are poorly designed for vertical infantry combat. It would render terrain considerations entirely redundant, in which case we might as well just be fighting inside a characterless cube with our jetpacks.
I understand what you are geting at there isnt much on the map just a few buildings bunch of hills and alot of wide open terrain and the maps are prolly too small for it anyways |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.04.07 07:37:00 -
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I can see a flight suit working.
Lower armour and shields than a Scout, and slower regen than a Heavy.
Sounds fair to me. |
blue gt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.07 07:54:00 -
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naw a module or equipment that alone is a big enough hit. Tho I see wing suits to be a one way thing no going back up. tho I wouldn't say no to a jump jet mod/equip |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:00:00 -
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Valkreena Haederox wrote:To quote Schlock Mercenary.
You know what we call flying soldiers on the battlefield?
Air support?
Skeet.
skeet skeet |
Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:02:00 -
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blue gt wrote:naw a module or equipment that alone is a big enough hit. Tho I see wing suits to be a one way thing no going back up. tho I wouldn't say no to a jump jet mod/equip
Ya like jumping out of a MCC or dropship or even a tall enough building and activate flight mode or something like that, tho i see it being hard to get back up their with out something to fly you up there or having to die. I havent checked but if theres militia dropships then there would be no problem. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:07:00 -
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A jetpack suit would be awesome with the right balancing: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/036/0/6/killzone_3_jetpack_soldier_by_tactican-d38wk87.jpg
-Low amount of module slots
-No equipment
-Only a sidearm slot
-Have jetpack functions work like an equipment, you have to switch to it, meaning you can't hold a gun while flying |
Chrome HD
Red-White And Blood
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Posted - 2013.04.07 08:43:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
a jet pack suit with built in weapons since you cant carry them kinda like that http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=mCnLGUrlp-a_MM&tbnid=ckqjqx7P1RMbPM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.howstuffworks.com%2Fapache-helicopter3.htm&ei=nTFhUZjnHK-A2QWcjYCwAQ&psig=AFQjCNF0Aor5pXEsj_VCg-xV58J9F9hGMQ&ust=1365410572383740 but ones that would suit the suit . |
Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:59:00 -
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Jet packs are a horrible idea simply from a balance perspective. Warhawk for PS3 release was an amazing shooter that lasted with an active community for years. In the third expansion they brought in jetpacks and it ruined the infantry game. Until that point they had infantry with low speed and 8 weapon options, tank and jeep with high speed and fixed weapons, and the warhawk which obviously had air dominance. A lucky tank could shoot down a bird, but mostly it was anti-infantry, quick and devestating. They way to take down a tank was Zerg it, or use a bird. To take down a bird you used another bird or littered the sky with missiles. Foot soldiers had so many weapon options that a good one could take down whatever he wanted, provided he was quick and smart.
jetpacks offered too much mobility for foot soldiers. One map was an archipelago, and required warhawk support to get to capture points. Warhawks can be locked onto with missiles, so the trip was dangerous. Foot soldiers had a much smaller profile, can't be locked onto, and can now fly themselves. This was to say nothing of other map designs (long winding mountain roads, city streets, etc) that used to be choke points. Now everyone was just descending from all directions.
Foot soldiers can also carry missile launchers themselves and lock onto tanks and hawks. Hawks were still fast enough to break lock with training, but tanks were actually completely trumped. They had no way to fight back against even one bouncing flying foot soldier, who always had versatility over tanks, but now had mobility and evasion over them too. Hawks couldn't fight back against the super small super deadly hanging object, except by crashing into them for a run over kill. (By the way it was so hard to pull off they offered a trophy for lining up that shot)
Now think of balance in dust. How will you defend an objective if people can come at you from literally any direction except below? How will tanks fend off skittering flying soldiers with swarm missiles that latch onto them, while they try to blaster bolt large patterns in the sky? How will snipers line up shots on people moving in an extra plane? Jetpacks tacked on willy hilly will turn the game into a cover free, explosion heavy, meat grinder. Whole other trees of skills will become worthless given the new kamikaze style of warfare.
Edit: to those of you saying "just a sidearm" or "less equip slots" ect... What exactly does a player like that offer to your team? Why would you want someone to advertise their location in the air and not be able to shoot back or accomplish anything? Might as well be a screaming neon scout, unless the objective of the jetpack is to get the enemy distracted while you do all the real work yourself. What role would such a suit play in the field? Really truly think about what you want AS A ROLE first, then ask if the jetpack is the best way to achieve that role without destroying the rest of the game. |
Yani Nabari
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.07 12:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:I can see a flight suit working.
Lower armour and shields than a Scout, and slower regen than a Heavy.
Sounds fair to me.
Sounds like a living breathing skeet target. Wouldn't even need to aim for the head for a kill. |
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Treemugger
I mug trees.
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Posted - 2013.04.07 12:25:00 -
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My main experience with jetpacks comes from Halo.
In that game, if you fly high, you're dead. Cover disappears and enemies can shoot you from all directions. High enough, and literally every enemy not inside a building can shoot you. Even on Halo, which has a max team size of eight-ish, you die pretty quickly.
Dust has a team size of 16 (or 24 if they've updated it) and its maps are a lot more open than Halo's. If you tried flying anything other than burst building-to-building Killzone style, you would die.
That said, they'd also completely nullify dropships. Dropships are only able to survive because buildings block line of sight from rockets. If infantry could stand on top of those buildings, I doubt a dropship would be able to survive long enough to be worth the cost... minus the Militia one. |
Deskalkulos Ildigan
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.04.07 12:51:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Chrome HD wrote:would be something different though what fps has something like that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_(series) Present DUST maps are poorly designed for vertical infantry combat. It would render terrain considerations entirely redundant, in which case we might as well just be fighting inside a characterless cube with our jetpacks.
I'll up you with Killzone 3.
Apart from that, i think jetpacks would result in a sudden burst in Snipers. as said before. Skeet. There are some terrains that can't be accessed (mostly due to whining), so jetpacks might actually open them up again. Might be interesting. . . |
hydraSlav's
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.04.07 14:30:00 -
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Wing suits! For paragliding |
Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:51:00 -
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hydraSlav's wrote:Wing suits! For paragliding
I would actually like if the scout suit had armpit wings to dampen falls. Maybe take 1/2 the damage per unit height that the Assault suit would take for the same distance? I just hate running my scout up stairs and ladders for a vantage, then losing 75% of my shields to jump off a ledge and chase a delicious delicious victim. |
Corrupted File
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.09 00:09:00 -
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blue gt wrote:naw a module or equipment that alone is a big enough hit. Tho I see wing suits to be a one way thing no going back up. tho I wouldn't say no to a jump jet mod/equip
Jump jet would be good cause i tend to get stuck between rocks and cracks and once i get out it says i fell and died when all i did was squeeze myself out. |
Dexter Peabody
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:27:00 -
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yo we need jetpacks, i want fly around and go zoom zoom
y'alls need not worry cause goons always get theirs |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:36:00 -
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We MD users already have enough problems trying to hit elevated targets, we don't need more indirect nerfs. |
Nylithe Empyreal
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:50:00 -
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Could just avoid forward thrust and go for straight up to traverse tall buildings in a single bound, if you keep them frail, then the value of dropships will still be their while making it no more than a scaling module for height advantages assuming they'd make it above before a sniper gets them. I'd just make it a module effected by suit weight and give it some kind of handicapping pg/cpu requirement. |
Infekti0n
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:05:00 -
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The makes of dust should look at the game SW:Battlefront 2. Which has Jumpjets and Jet packs. They are suprisingly well balanced. Very fun to play with but quite hard since they die fast as hell.
I would love to see Jumpjets or jetpacks in the game, maybe even some sort of vehicle/armor like u see in the Killzone 3 picture. You actually call it in, skills modules etc. Anyway id love to see this in Dust with the right balancing ofcourse. |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:10:00 -
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Super Jump Modules. 50 - 100% jump height bonus.
Yes. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.04.14 20:32:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Super Jump Modules. 50 - 100% jump height bonus.
Yes.
Dangerous to fit on any suit - especially a Scout - without also adding the "fast-charge Inertia Dampener" allowing you to avoid damage caused by falling from your upgraded jump height. |
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