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TheEnd762 wrote:

CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:

To answer your question on select fire modes in real life. A gas bolt operated AK47 in the hands of a trained soldier is capable of dumping half of a "magazine" of 30 rounds into a one foot round target at 50 meters, I've done it. A spring operated bolt, "cheaper variants', no way in hell as the barrel does not slide to reduce recoil, you are semi correct. The m4A1, completely different animal. You can all 30 rounds from a standard "mag" into a one foot round target at 50 meters without missing a beat! Flip your mag and resume fire without taking your sights off target. Select fire or the "three round burst" you speak of was introduced more for ammo conservation than recoil mitigation. One well placed round from either of these weapons will kill out to 500 meters no problem. As far as the damage mods go I'll look into it before I engage a debate as you may be correct.

You are mostly correct, but that's all under optimal conditions. Non-moving shooter, non-moving target, etc. But hitting a 1x1ft target at 500 meters while standing? No sir, definitely not with the AK, and not even the M4. Maybe in the prone. Kneeling? You'd have to be DAMN good. And again, under optimal conditions.


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CYRAX SERVIUS Planetary Response Organisation 48	Posted - 2013.04.06 23:25:00 - [1] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: I agree that the assault rifle is overpowered. Niches be damned, assault rifle users say. Assault rifle users don't care about niches! They care about effectiveness! Where do you draw the line? The assault rifle just does too well against everything. Assault Rifles versus... Shotguns? Easily has more DPS at most ranges. HMGs? Easily has much more accuracy and damage at longer ranges. Sniper Rifles? There's no comparison at close range, only murder. Laser Rifles? Ditto. Mass Drivers? Far more reliable and predictable. Submachine Guns? Better range and damage. Scrambler Pistol? Doesn't require headshots to murder someone, and better range surprisingly. Forge Gun? Now you are just humoring me. First word, Assault, made for attacking or advancing. Second word, Rifle, firearm capable of delivering large damage rounds down range with increased accuracy. Get over it people, please.
CYRAX SERVIUS Planetary Response Organisation 48	Posted - 2013.04.07 02:02:00 - [2] - Quote Past, AK 47. Kalasknikov variant. This assault rifle is over 60 years old, here's some facts. Gas activated bolt mechanism for faster reloading and reduced recoil. Chambered in 7.62 mm "a large damage round', capable of 600 rpm, effective range 300 meters set on full auto. 400 meters on semi auto, over 60 year old weapon. Present, M4A1 assault rifle, gas activated rotating bolt, I can tell you from personal military experience it has next to no recoil compared to the AK. Chambered in 5.56 mm, capable of , 'wait for it', 950 rpm, effective range 500 meters full auto, 600 meters semi auto. I have operated both many times and can tell you they are both deadly accurate at their suggested ranges. Considering this game takes place thousands of years in the future, I think ccp has it right, or the AR could use a buff, stop crying.
CYRAX SERVIUS Planetary Response Organisation 51	Posted - 2013.04.07 12:43:00 - [3] - Quote To answer your question on select fire modes in real life. A gas bolt operated AK47 in the hands of a trained soldier is capable of dumping half of a "magazine" of 30 rounds into a one foot round target at 50 meters, I've done it. A spring operated bolt, "cheaper variants', no way in hell as the barrel does not slide to reduce recoil, you are semi correct. The m4A1, completely different animal. You can all 30 rounds from a standard "mag" into a one foot round target at 50 meters without missing a beat! Flip your mag and resume fire without taking your sights off target. Select fire or the "three round burst" you speak of was introduced more for ammo conservation than recoil mitigation. One well placed round from either of these weapons will kill out to 500 meters no problem. As far as the damage mods go I'll look into it before I engage a debate as you may be correct.
CYRAX SERVIUS Planetary Response Organisation 51	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:02:00 - [4] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: To answer your question on select fire modes in real life. A gas bolt operated AK47 in the hands of a trained soldier is capable of dumping half of a "magazine" of 30 rounds into a one foot round target at 50 meters, I've done it. A spring operated bolt, "cheaper variants', no way in hell as the barrel does not slide to reduce recoil, you are semi correct. The m4A1, completely different animal. You can all 30 rounds from a standard "mag" into a one foot round target at 50 meters without missing a beat! Flip your mag and resume fire without taking your sights off target. Select fire or the "three round burst" you speak of was introduced more for ammo conservation than recoil mitigation. One well placed round from either of these weapons will kill out to 500 meters no problem. As far as the damage mods go I'll look into it before I engage a debate as you may be correct. You are mostly correct, but that's all under optimal conditions. Non-moving shooter, non-moving target, etc. But hitting a 1x1ft target at 500 meters while standing? No sir, definitely not with the AK, and not even the M4. Maybe in the prone. Kneeling? You'd have to be DAMN good. And again, under optimal conditions. Agreed my friend, but at 50 meters absolutely doable. Some are calling for range on the ar to be effectively be reduced to 50-65 meters, In the game gek does 32.5 hp per round multiplied by ten rounds is 325 hp damage, enough to rip down shields and get into armor of most fits. Inside 50 meters you should be able to put half those rounds on target with some skill, kneeling is an option in this game. I run a bpo suit with standard AR a lot when grinding, fire in bursts and do very well with it, I have a type A fit with a duvolle and all supportive skills maxed out and kill with 1/2 mag at mid to long range very well. But have paid for that luxury in sp and isk, 73,000 for one gun, and yes aiming for head helps. I'll be happy to entertain conversation real life vs game as I have a lot of knowledge on real firearms. Laser rifles though, tough nut to crack, lol.