RE: #337

Apparently you don't comprehend either. Its the overall participation in the game period, not just your beloved PC that is going to suffer. I, and several others have thrown ideas out in the open not just in this thread but elsewhere. So, where on earth here AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN do you offer any ANYTHING at all to make the game better. That's right, you don't want it to be any better cuz ur just a suck tit on here.

My intitial idea, presented in #256 and my only question #258, were posted on here AFTER reading through the thread extensively. Now, I may miss a couple things here and there, but I do TRY to comprehend the material put forth. Its called listening with the intent to understand, rather than with the intent to reply. My posts #s 273, 276, 279, 300, 313, 324, 327, 330, 334 all explain my position in response to some one saying the same kind of bs you are saying, and in the same tone.

If everything's fine by you, that's your opinion. But here again, is a case of some pretentious fanboy chiming in on the opinions/feedback of others. I stated earlier that I would wait and see what the build has to offer like everyone else. Also stated that me and my group were prepared to accept being low level hookers I mean mercs. We have always been approaching it realistically so get over yourself.

The feedback people give on here was asked for, was it not? You seriously want to talk about spouting nonsense in the forum, rather than recruiting and extending diplomacy? When I just said, in the very post above yours, that we are growing our numbers and have made allies in both games. We have accepted it for what it is, we ARE willing to fulfill whatever role is needed by our allies and potential allies.

See, the difference is, you all are concerned with EVE being 'nerfed' or whatever. I completely understand and would feel the same way if I had invested that kind of time into an online RPG. What I don't think you understand, is the basic battle dynamic of DUST is the definition of nerf, or duplo, whatever, to the majority of shooter fans. Heck, there's passive SP! What's more novice than that? Hence, the RPG aspect will be the only thing carrying it if FW doesn't prove worth while, if alternatives for pub matches aren't offered, if there is to be no co-op vs, AI aspect.

I was never saying that it WOULD be possible to own all 250 districts, I never said that a 5man or 20 man corp SHOULD be able to go toe-to-toe with a corp of 500. What I am saying is at least humor people. At the very least. THIS TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO PLAY DUST. NEW PEOPLE. MORE PEOPLE. MORE IDEAS. REASONS WHY CERTAIN IDEAS WON"T WORK. See that nonsense? Is it plain enough English?

If people are just supposed to 'swallow their pride' and join up with the big guys, don't lead them to believe, that they need to lead their members and new recruits to believe, that their particular group has an opportunity. Because they don't have an opportunity and NEVER HAD an opportunity to begin with if they have to 'swallow their pride' and join another group in order to be involved. And at that point, how involved are they? That group of 67 that 'swallowed their pride'. Now at the lowest ranks in a group of 875.

He who possesses the ability to 'swallow' his pride, likely has very little to begin with.

I'm going to see what all the new build offers in and outside of PC and then maybe I will form a different outlook on future participation from new people. Until then I will continue advocate for the small corp even though my corp is SUPPOSEDLY about to become a 'megacorp'.

Now I think that I provided some constructive feedback throughout these failed attempts to make the blind see. I think most of the concerned have done the same. The only ones I see 'bitching' are the ones not providing constructive feedback, but instead 'bitching' about someone giving a rational opinion. An opinion btw, that is asked for not only in the first post of this thread, but upon the release of a beta.

NEW PEOPLE. MORE PEOPLE. DUST WANTS MORE PEOPLE. DUST NEEDS MORE PEOPLE. KEEP THE NEW PEOPLE.

#256 was what I threw out there. Took me about 5-10 min of thought to just throw that one out there. IDK if something like that is even feasible. It was just an idea I had to give the upstarts or small guys some incentive. And, some one might have to explain to me why something like that couldn't work as afr as the integration to EVE would pertain to it. Just a random brainstorm.

Well, that's where I am saying that I was never trying to envision the 5 guys burgers and fries competing or sustaining in PC. Now if there were say like some 8 v. 8 districts then maybe a group that small would have a snowballs chance at holding one. If the battle is 16 v 16, then I think all could assume that 16 is the MINIMUM of what you want to go in with. So, if you were going in with 5, you must be some real bad mama jamas that doo doo ISK.

The casual part of this blows. I've been including that in my stances. I think that's why we're seeing so many that are disappointed with the proposed initial build of PC.

Start selling it as RTS makes it more attractive then selling it as RPG. I don't play EVE at the moment, I was going to get a trial membership to see whats up with it but, in all sincere honesty, after spending some weeks interacting with the condescending part of the community on here, I decided against it.

And my calm response is in response to the extension of civility that is hard to come by in forums. Not just this forum, but any forum attached to a game. So, I apologize to those I may have snapped at.

Corporations don't matter at the Planetary Conquest level.
Alliances are how any sort of sovereignty of any sort works. For individual corp focused play, Faction warfare.

Now the way to ensure a wide range of alliance sizes can get involved and stay involved in Planetary Conquest is to have a range of planet sizes where small planets have lower rewards and payouts but are also easier to defend as they require less legwork and fewer total people for defense.
CCP has a system like this in place if i'm not mistaken. A planet with only 4 districts has only 4 times it can be attacked and therefore takes fewer total people to defend, the planet also only has 4 districts to produce income from. These planets need to be appealing enough that smaller alliances will want them, or large alliances will allow them to be taken and held by member corps as they are too much hassle to bother with as an alliance as a whole.

The major planets need to have a lot of districts and thus a very large profit potential. These planets are much easier to run with enough manpower because you have more districts to upgrade and move clones around between, you also have more attack windows so you need more people to properly defend it.

Small corps should not succeed in PC. PC is meant to require coordination, diplomacy, and organization. A "small poor corp" is exactly the sort of group that shouldn't be in PC. They can band with other groups whether they are a ton of small groups or a larger group, whatever, they can join an alliance and participate and still maintain their community and feel. PC is so appealing to many because of the fact that it requires time and effort and teamwork to do properly. This invested time makes it feel important and it becomes a significant accomplishment.

For those who don't understand the purpose of holding districts, if each district base produces 100 clones per day and each clone is worth 80k, then you make in profit 8million isk per day that your clone limit is full.
Now if you hold a small planet, 4 districts, that planet earns you 32 million isk per day.

32 million isn't a huge number but when you think about it month wise, which is still fairly short term, that is 960 million isk per month from holding only 4 sectors.
The rewards are most certainly there.