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Rynx Sinfar
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Posted - 2013.04.03 15:12:00 -
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Skimmed over idea.
I fail to see how this is different from any other "fix". Like I'm assuming many others did, you say why the ones who have provided "fixes" in the past were wrong and how you have the solution or the beginnings of the solution.
In the end I call it foolish to claim to know how to fix anything that you have not experienced. I wouldn't tell a car manufacturer how to fix a car I haven't driven and only read about. I wouldn't tell Microsoft how to fix Windows 9 before using it and having only read about features. Sure suggestions are one thing, asking for something is one thing, but flat out re-detailing the whole shebang is another.
I tell you what, anyone who can provide the ultimate solution to how gameplay should be fixed without experiencing it first should go out and make their own games and stop wasting their talent on forums. Heck I've never really even read a good "fix" for a game for features that were released as they generally end up self serving.
Not only that but the fact is things at this point should be set in stone, and unless you can convince a man with money that a concept will net them additional X dollars for the cost of Y developers over Z months, a deviation from the original plan will not occur. Yes changes will occur over time but those changes are probably already being planned or at least the direction that they will take slowly over time.
Crimity people always want sweeping change and yet 1/5th of employees at my workplace had to call helpdesk when unable to understand which button to press when a popup with two buttons and a paragraph appeared on their screen. Honestly to the people here, how well do you think your co-workers would handle a replacing of break room equipment. How long do you think people would be complaining about how the new coffee machine didn't make sense? People in IT, what kind of explosion of support are you expecting with conversion to Windows 8? Even with training? Keep that in mind when demanding changes because the worth of the calm after the adjustment needs to exceed the price of the preceding entropy and chaos that is required for that change.
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Rynx Sinfar
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Posted - 2013.04.03 15:47:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:Pretty much what I wrote, only with less of my flowery words and comparisons. Rynx, you'd have better luck dissuading a lion from eating meat than trying to convince an internet forum to stop pointless armchair game developing though. +1 anyways.
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Actually the first thing to dissuade if turning anything into magic is the concept that in the world of Magic The Gathering there is no need to bathe or use deodorant. I've been to releases, that stench would rust a tank through the internet. |
Rynx Sinfar
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Posted - 2013.04.03 16:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Well there is only so much testing I can with graph paper and color pencils.
He is referring to the already proposed concept CCP is implementing.
The result being that we are saying we lack information to give a proper analysis of it, and using the bones of something we can't analyze properly to create a primarily new system means you can analyze that even less.
We can't properly prove or disprove the validity of any idea. I can start talking about roving bands of space banditos who strike districts being ignored too much. I can rave about training native animals to fight as part of your team and trading them on the open market as a resource from specific planets. I can talk about strapping a jetpack to a planet and moving it or the ability to build installations underground. I can have the greatest game developers of our time mate with ivy league professors and train the offspring to figure out if it is possible to modify the conquest mechanic to instead be a feudalistic driven society but their word wouldn't mean crap because they don't have the necessary data to make accurate decisions.
new tl;dr; my dad would not be a good coach for the steelers. |
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Posted - 2013.04.03 16:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rynx Sinfar wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:Pretty much what I wrote, only with less of my flowery words and comparisons. Rynx, you'd have better luck dissuading a lion from eating meat than trying to convince an internet forum to stop pointless armchair game developing though. +1 anyways. Precedence Actually the first thing to dissuade if turning anything into magic is the concept that in the world of Magic The Gathering there is no need to bathe or use deodorant. I've been to releases, that stench would rust a tank through the internet. Considering that I used to live on a ship that its only weakness would have been paint thinner, I find little amusement in this statement. Also I do know several countries that would rather use water for drinking than bathing, dehydration is not a good way to die.
I don't know how to respond to this. Is this meant to be discussion or are you just saying things meant to end that particular line of conversation. It's like someone who hops in on a conversation and then the group gets real quiet.
As for theorycrafting what you speculated isn't theory crafting, its theory designing based on theory crafting. Hell I know we are planning, and if you aren't then your crazy.
However there is a large difference between "here is how I believe the dynamics of this proposed system will work out" and "Let's revamp over half of this idea that I haven't even tried yet".
It becomes speculation based on speculation, and even if the results of the first part are well predicted it does not mean it is a firm launching point for the next part.
But back to an ignored point, as you've said you've spent time on boats and know countries where water is precious so you're obviously familiar with the concept of limited resources. So once again, X profit must exceed Y cost. Not only that but X profit must exceed all other potential profits that require Y cost or less. Yes their trying to make a solid fun game, which is possible because it results in profit.
Which means you are revamping a model based on theorycrafting using incomplete data on the prospect that said revamp will be an efficient use of their resources to which you have no proof of it being so.
I can break that down more though. Would you rather them spend time and money exploring the possibility of your idea? Or moving onto Null. |
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