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Alina Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:33:00 -
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Or do I just suck? (Yeah right) |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:38:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Or do I just suck? (Yeah right)
i go through the same kinds of phases. i've got this barely tweaked militia suit that i run all the time, and do really well... but then when i switch up to a real suit i get owned three lives in a row. probably if you could run your proto every match, then you'd get very used to it. |
The GreatTeacher Onizuka
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:42:00 -
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If you use a protosuit people call you out and you become a target even if it means people lose the game. Much like calling in a tank against a good squad that's losing already...they have nothing left to lose so they don't want you to profit from the match. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
341
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:42:00 -
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I deliberately target black suits. Greater challenge, greater reward. Plus there's a decent chance these days that they're using the aurum protos. It's a unique feeling offered by this game; to know you're costing someone else money. |
Grezkev
The Red Guards
162
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:43:00 -
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Work on tweaking all your modules. This should not be happening.... |
Alina Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:44:00 -
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low genius wrote:Alina Heart wrote:Or do I just suck? (Yeah right) i go through the same kinds of phases. i've got this barely tweaked militia suit that i run all the time, and do really well... but then when i switch up to a real suit i get owned three lives in a row. probably if you could run your proto every match, then you'd get very used to it.
Same, It seems like the games BS kicks in hard when it realizes I'm wearing a Protosuit. Dying by the most random unlikely things that could possibly happen in the game. Once had a match where an RDV, Installation, and a Dropship crashed on 3 different times while using my protosuit.
It Also feels like I die faster even though I have more shields and armor. I get more deaths and less kills. I don't even use the suit at all anymore. B-Series and my Raven are doing me good. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:51:00 -
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In addition to being a target I'd imagine for some folks the play style changes because more is at stake. I'd bet that in many cases less aggression can lead to more deaths. I wouldn't know for a fact though, I only use the suits without prerequisite skill requirements as my points go elsewhere. |
DS 10
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
141
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:56:00 -
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It may be because you have more of a sense of "invincibility". When you know you're in a Proto suit, you think you'll win every gunfight. Most of my deaths are caused by this. When I watch 20-1, 15-1, 16-2 gameplays of mine, the deaths are because I do something dumb because I'm eager for more kills. It's frustrating, but fixable. |
Kane Fyea
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
131
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:59:00 -
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Ll whenever I see protsuits I ALWAYS target them. Tanks too. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:00:00 -
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VK0? It sucks compared to VK1. I tried using my A-series, but it sucks more than my type-II even though it has more HP. |
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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
135
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:22:00 -
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Not sure what's wrong with you OP but since getting my proto assault my KDR had jumped a full point and continues to climb indefinitely upwards. I love people who rush and target me just for my suit, I love killing people hell bent on taking me out. |
Icy TIG3R
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:24:00 -
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No, but it feels like I've died 4 times. The again, I usually take out 9-12 people before dying in a proto suit. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
541
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:26:00 -
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Also, protosuits aren't much use without the expensive modules and passive core skills to back them up. If you find yourself with a significant amount of CPU and PG leftover in your fitting, you should definitely go back down a tier for a while. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:35:00 -
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Sloth has it - It depends on the suit. Vk0 is garbage compared to the Vk1.
But lets not kid ourselves as to the 'cost' of AUR items.
20 AUR = $0.01 USD
That means that a 160 AUR suit is $0.08 each. If you are losing more than 2-3 Vk0s in a match against non-proto opponents then its time to put down the controller.
I dont laugh about killing protos because they cost someone money, I laugh because it means that they are a tryhard that thinks that a suit will make them immortal. |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University
Ivy League
130
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:38:00 -
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Two things....
1. It's all those targets painted on every available surface of your dropsuit... 
2. It's totally possible you don't have the necessary support skills to take advantage of the suit...just because you have the SP to get the suit doesn't mean you've spent the SP to fill it out 
...personally I don't spend the points on upgrading suits until I've got the support skills to make full use of the upgrade...
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Kane Fyea
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
131
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Posted - 2013.04.02 20:48:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Not sure what's wrong with you OP but since getting my proto assault my KDR had jumped a full point and continues to climb indefinitely upwards. I love people who rush and target me just for my suit, I love killing people hell bent on taking me out.
Good thing I only lose 30k a fit with my cheap fit. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
85
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:05:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:VK0? It sucks compared to VK1. I tried using my A-series, but it sucks more than my type-II even though it has more HP.
Depends if you're saying armor sucks. It has 4 low slots which means you can stack armor plates. 3 high slots for damage mods. With basic 175 armor HP you forget about shields and make a maybe faster than heavy armor tank with +500 armor HP. It has 2nd equipment slot that can used for a Traige Nanohive which will repair armor. Armor has strengths you know. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
85
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:08:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Whenever I see protsuits I ALWAYS target them.
And this, happens the same with the fatmen. They become primary targets for everyone.
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DeltaTango19
187.
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:09:00 -
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Not sure its the same for others but i do better in my full BPO fit than i do in full proto. I think this might be purely phsycological, beacuse I'm not relying on proto i probobly play more carefully. Although stomping around in proto feels great its not going to do your killing for you. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
729
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:13:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:VK0? It sucks compared to VK1. I tried using my A-series, but it sucks more than my type-II even though it has more HP. Depends if you're saying armor sucks. It has 4 low slots which means you can stack armor plates. 3 high slots for damage mods. With basic 175 armor HP you forget about shields and make a maybe faster than heavy armor tank with +500 armor HP. It has 2nd equipment slot that can used for a Traige Nanohive which will repair armor. Armor has strengths you know.
Nothing to do with armor, well at least not the armor itself. The lower movement speed makes it harder to strafe and it throws off my aim, and unless I have a logi, it's a lot harder to get back into a fight if you've taken damage.
Someone who's gotten used to a type-II is going to have a hard time switching to the armor variants. |
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Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:19:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:VK0? It sucks compared to VK1. I tried using my A-series, but it sucks more than my type-II even though it has more HP. Depends if you're saying armor sucks. It has 4 low slots which means you can stack armor plates. 3 high slots for damage mods. With basic 175 armor HP you forget about shields and make a maybe faster than heavy armor tank with +500 armor HP. It has 2nd equipment slot that can used for a Traige Nanohive which will repair armor. Armor has strengths you know. Nothing to do with armor, well at least not the armor itself. The lower movement speed makes it harder to strafe and it throws off my aim, and unless I have a logi, it's a lot harder to get back into a fight if you've taken damage. Someone who's gotten used to a type-II is going to have a hard time switching to the armor variants.
Well, that and the Vk1 with shield regulators and and armor rep is extremely hard to take down unless the toon is dumb enough to walk into a massive crossfire. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
729
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:21:00 -
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Kitten Commander wrote:
Well, that and the Vk1 with shield regulators and and armor rep is extremely hard to take down unless the toon is dumb enough to walk into a massive crossfire.
Only have a basic shield regulator, but it's already become my favorite module, now I just need to cut some CPU usage so I can get the enhanced one |
D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
273
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:22:00 -
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OP, If you're talking about the purchasable V.K.0 suits then I KNOW that you have jumped the gun and believe you would have an instant edge over the competition. Not so. Clever marketing by CCP blinded you!! An A-series with the correct level of core skills and good modules will almost always put you on your ass.
If, however, you have spent all that SP getting to the top tier suits and not concentrated on every other ESSENTIAL skill required to play this game, then you are so frickin lucky with the inbound SP respecing that CCP are being kind enough to offer foolish mercs. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
86
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:23:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:VK0? It sucks compared to VK1. I tried using my A-series, but it sucks more than my type-II even though it has more HP. Depends if you're saying armor sucks. It has 4 low slots which means you can stack armor plates. 3 high slots for damage mods. With basic 175 armor HP you forget about shields and make a maybe faster than heavy armor tank with +500 armor HP. It has 2nd equipment slot that can used for a Traige Nanohive which will repair armor. Armor has strengths you know. Nothing to do with armor, well at least not the armor itself. The lower movement speed makes it harder to strafe and it throws off my aim, and unless I have a logi, it's a lot harder to get back into a fight if you've taken damage. Someone who's gotten used to a type-II is going to have a hard time switching to the armor variants.
Yeah. I would love to experiment with that type of build. You literally become a heavy with smaller body frame and faster (?) strafe speed. 4.4 if you ignore stacking penalties. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
139
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:23:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Or do I just suck? (Yeah right)
you just need to learn how to run away better. People confuse owning a proto suit with owning the world. You get false confidence from the fact that you know your suit is better then any one man on the other team. This causes you to jump head on into group fights that you would never had attempted before. Is your suit good enough to win a 1v1? almost certainly. is it good enough for a 1v2? given enough skill its possible. Is it good enough for a 1v3? now your betting on the other team to be filled with incompetents and your asking to lose the suit.
So long story short. Try to play your proto suit the same you used to play your B-series or possibly even Type II and youll notice your k/d sky rocket as a result. |
Indianna Pwns
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
24
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:41:00 -
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Prototype users can get very gung ho and kill hungry. It's quite easy to bait them into chasing after you, especially if they see your in a militia or standard dropsuit.
I cant count how many times I've baited players in proto gear to blindly run round corners into a nicely cooked grenade.
Always very satisfying |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
876
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Posted - 2013.04.02 22:47:00 -
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The GreatTeacher Onizuka wrote:If you use a protosuit people call you out and you become a target even if it means people lose the game. Much like calling in a tank against a good squad that's losing already...they have nothing left to lose so they don't want you to profit from the match.
^This
You stand out, your worth more ISK and you're (on balance) likely to be a greater threat. As soon as you strap on that Proto gear you make yourself a target. Proto weapons are this way too (to a lessor extent) and AUR gear almost everyone I know hunts anyone they see using AUR gear.
Best advice, don't run a Proto suit with an AUR weapon unless you're feeling particularly masochistic that day 
Cheers,
Cross |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
755
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:23:00 -
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I use proto heavy fits (not the vk.1, they are worthless). when you kill me you cost me a quarter million per dropsuit.
Nice work.
If you get pissed off because you lose an expensive fit and then go rage about it I strongly suggest that you never try to find a girlfriend or have children. Because they wont always do what you want them to either. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
14
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:If you get pissed off because you lose an expensive fit and then go rage about it I strongly suggest that you never try to find a girlfriend or have children. Because they wont always do what you want them to either.
And they also cost a ton of money. |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
387
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Posted - 2013.04.02 23:40:00 -
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I've noticed this in my logi A series (100k a fit). I think another psychological element is that at the higher price per fit you notice each death more. If I die five times in my 30k fits it is no big deal but after one or two deaths in a 100k fit I am a little more hesitant to bring another into the match.
But yeah, I think everything people have said adds up against you. The fitting is better but you are playing differently and people are reacting to you differently. |
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