There should be Match making in pug based on KDR and SP combination. Squads would run on a combined score, so you cannot smurf matches. IF the score difference was massive between 2 players it would put you in the FFA matches. or round up. or calculated it so someone as good/bad was also in the game to even the teams. Plenty of options/games to take notes from to make a good system.

******But it should be a voluntary pre-enabled option so if people want play with better or worse people they can disable it and play in FFA matches.

Possible options for FFA Matches
Those people would be able to play in the FFA match making matches. FFA match making matches would have a different KDR stat set then MM matches. Or no recorded KDRs. That way if people wanted to play in a no holes barred match and play with people above their level to learn from fighting against they can without fear of it screwing them over in their precious KDR.

(I personally Don't have a F to give about KDR I evaluate players for recruitment based on personal observation and never underestimate my opponent, I apply maximum skill at all times least I become soft when it counts)

There should be Match making in pug based on KDR and SP combination. Squads would run on a combined score, so you cannot smurf matches. IF the score difference was massive between 2 players it would put you in the FFA matches. or round up. or calculated it so someone as good/bad was also in the game to even the teams. Plenty of options/games to take notes from to make a good system.

******But it should be a voluntary pre-enabled option so if people want play with better or worse people they can disable it and play in FFA matches.

Possible options for FFA Matches
Those people would be able to play in the FFA match making matches. FFA match making matches would have a different KDR stat set then MM matches. Or no recorded KDRs. That way if people wanted to play in a no holes barred match and play with people above their level to learn from fighting against they can without fear of it screwing them over in their precious KDR.

(I personally Don't have a F to give about KDR I evaluate players for recruitment based on personal observation and never underestimate my opponent, I apply maximum skill at all times least I become soft when it counts)

When KDR is a valid measure of my skill as a Logi, you'll get a +1 from me.

I know many logis that hold their own in a firefight, but you do have a point and you can disable it if you dont want to play in those matches, and if you end up beating other players your kdr would rise would it not? thus you would be raised until you reach a point where you where not performing well. I am sure the game could tweak your MM score if you where winning lots of matches but your KDR was staying unchanged. it would keep bumping you in small increments until you start to get crushed.

i would like to not ask the devs to spend any more time on pug's. they work fine, and in the end they'll be useless. let's keep a broader perspective.

the broader perspective is giving new players a chance to learn at a reasonable rate.
And how do they work fine? back that up.
As in they run without crashing the game?

i have to agree. discounting kdr in a game where kills matter, and even more than that, the kdr of your team matters... seems silly.

And discounting the value of someone reviving teammates when a revival negates the importance of the loss is also silly.

So is discounting the value of keeping someone supplied with ammo when they need it to get more kills.

So is discounting the importance of patching up damage, either during a fight or between encounters, so the person can get even more kills before going down.

So is discounting the value of area denial, where you have someone who gets very few kills but forces the enemy to stay in your team's killing field.

So is discounting the value of a good support sniper who mostly keeps your team supplied with intel and enemy positions/facings to better flank them, and takes the first shot on an enemy to leave them vulnerable.

There are plenty of reasons for a good player - or even a great one - to have a lower K/D than a decent killer.

TL;DR version: By sacrificing my own KDR, I often significantly improve the average KDR of my team over what we'd have if I was just another 5:1 killer.

There should be Match making in pug based on KDR and SP combination. Squads would run on a combined score, so you cannot smurf matches. IF the score difference was massive between 2 players it would put you in the FFA matches. or round up. or calculated it so someone as good/bad was also in the game to even the teams. Plenty of options/games to take notes from to make a good system.

******But it should be a voluntary pre-enabled option so if people want play with better or worse people they can disable it and play in FFA matches.

Possible options for FFA Matches
Those people would be able to play in the FFA match making matches. FFA match making matches would have a different KDR stat set then MM matches. Or no recorded KDRs. That way if people wanted to play in a no holes barred match and play with people above their level to learn from fighting against they can without fear of it screwing them over in their precious KDR.

(I personally Don't have a F to give about KDR I evaluate players for recruitment based on personal observation and never underestimate my opponent, I apply maximum skill at all times least I become soft when it counts)

and as the MM was running it would drag down the 5:1 killers would it not? You dont seem to understand that as you play the MM over and over the game would calculate your value to the team. If a bunch of 5:1 killers started fighting each other clearly they cant all go 5:1 now can they? and as their KDR got brought down from fighting each other your low KDR would mean more would it not? And does a 5:1 solo player like me running around right now need a logi? does he need your help? no he does not.

I don't need your help. When I fight a match where I do ill invite ya. understand? and under the MM I will eventually need your help. But right now your a burden or unnecessary to my success.

If you're a 5:1 killer without a good logi, and you're going 15:1 because of him/her, but the Logi is dying with you and only running 1:1 himself, then between you, that's 8:1 average.

Because of you, his contribution is valuable. Because of him, your contribution is MORE valuable than it would be without.

But his 1:1 K/D stat will either pull you out of the system, or will result in you being paired well below the squad's actual skill.