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Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
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Posted - 2013.03.30 18:54:00 -
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Still no word on the whole merc pack / AUR issue? Basically, two things need to be clarified before I start giving you money again. These questions assume that this is not commercial release, as was clarified by a dev post.
1). Will there be a character whipe on commercial release? The announcement section says there will be no more whipes barring something crazy, but my understanding was that the post was in response to people thinking there would be more beta whipes, not that there wouldn't be a whipe on commercial release.
2). If a character whipe of any kind occurs, will we be refunded our merc packs (specifically the packs offered now which do not include the reimbursement disclaimer as they used to)? I assume those packs purchased when it did say there we would get AUR refunded on commercial release will be refunded because that's what the purchase agreement stated. If not, well that will be a whole different issue to be resolved somewhere aside from these forums.
I want to buy more AURUM, but I don't want to do so if you plan to whipe SP for commercial release but NOT refund AURUM. Your lack of clarity in this matter is costing you money. I want to buy more merc packs. About a third of the people in my corp want to buy more merc packs. We aren't doing so and won't do so until this is cleared up.
Assuming (unscientifically of course) that this trend is more or less true across the greater player population, that's a lot of money you're not getting. We want to give you our money, CCP, but many of us are not willing to do so without knowing how things are going to work. The beta is, at times, fun, but not nearly fun enough to be spending money on it.
Also, if this thread gets merged or locked because there is some other thread similar to it, fine, we'll stop spending money until it reaches commercial release. I'm appealing to your desire to make money while you continue to develop this game. I can't say how much you'll be losing if you don't clear this situation up but at least four people of a corp of twelve aren't currently spending the money we'd like to be. Please let us give you our money again. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2329
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Posted - 2013.03.30 19:04:00 -
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Well from someone who also buys multiple merc packs, I am on hold as well until we can get some sorta answer on this.
If we get wiped and then I would assume all merc packs would be re-imbursed or they would have even more upset people who bought boosters and had nothing to show for them. So I assume purchasing merc packs now would be reimbursed.
I just want to know how they are going to handle the whole refund packs or completely wipe us and then give the packs back, cause that will mean we are wasting our time right now getting SP they may wipe.
So that is why I'm waiting before I buy anymore packs. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.30 19:07:00 -
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This has already been discussed to death. Please use the search function rather than create a new thread asking the same question that has been answered (or theorized) by dozens of players. Don't expect CCP to give us an answer any time soon because everyone isn't getting a straight answer from them. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
196
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Posted - 2013.03.30 19:11:00 -
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Where are people getting the idea that you won't be getting Aur back even if they did wipe everything?*
*A quick aside to mention that CCP has been very clear that unless something completely unexpected or game-breaking occurs, SP will not be reset. At "worst", it'll be refunded and you can spend it all again on skills you want.
Now back to this whole Aur thing. At every previous wipe they've given Aur and items back, including all items bought from merc packs. I highly doubt they'd reset SP back to 0 and not give any sort of reimbursement of Aur spent on boosters, gear, etc. It would tick off their entire player-base.
Personally, I'm waiting to spend more money because I want to see a different type of merc pack. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
690
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Posted - 2013.03.30 19:27:00 -
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If there is another wipe, then CCP is ethically bound to re-credit the things to you, if not legally (I don't remember the description on the current merc pack.) However, I'm pretty sure these are our final characters and will transfer over into CR, but they could only allow us to keep half of our current SP take or something like that though.
If there is a reset and no re-credit, then there's going to be a lot of un-happy mercs. |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
237
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Posted - 2013.03.30 19:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:This has already been discussed to death. Please use the search function rather than create a new thread asking the same question that has been answered (or theorized) by dozens of players. Don't expect CCP to give us an answer any time soon because everyone isn't getting a straight answer from them.
Actually, It hasn't been answered. I've been involved in several of those threads and there are plenty of theories, no answers.
On the off chance there is an answer somewhere, the search function, which I HAVE tried, isn't finding it. Having an answer buried in the middle of a fifty page discussion in no way counts, especially if the search function can't easily find it.
Finally, you're last sentence is odd. I definitely expect a straight answer, post haste. I'd try the whole contact CCP directly but the answers are so canned you can tell they rarely if ever take the time to actually comprehend the question, and oft times take the dismiss it rather than resolve it approach.
We've spent money. We're customers. Simple good business means a straight answer is exactly what we should be getting. The fact that we are not is the entire point of this thread.
If we do get an answer, I'll gladly edit my original post to include it, even though this is the kind of thing that should be made abundantly clear in the announcements.
There is a dev that staed he brought the matter to the attention of CCP, but that we would have to wait. I'm fine with that, but it's a holiday and I'd really like to give CCP some money. Not doing it until they clear this up.
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:10:00 -
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Illuminaughty-696 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:This has already been discussed to death. Please use the search function rather than create a new thread asking the same question that has been answered (or theorized) by dozens of players. Don't expect CCP to give us an answer any time soon because everyone isn't getting a straight answer from them. Actually, It hasn't been answered. I've been involved in several of those threads and there are plenty of theories, no answers. On the off chance there is an answer somewhere, the search function, which I HAVE tried, isn't finding it. Having an answer buried in the middle of a fifty page discussion in no way counts, especially if the search function can't easily find it. Finally, you're last sentence is odd. I definitely expect a straight answer, post haste. I'd try the whole contact CCP directly but the answers are so canned you can tell they rarely if ever take the time to actually comprehend the question, and oft times take the dismiss it rather than resolve it approach. We've spent money. We're customers. Simple good business means a straight answer is exactly what we should be getting. The fact that we are not is the entire point of this thread. If we do get an answer, I'll gladly edit my original post to include it, even though this is the kind of thing that should be made abundantly clear in the announcements. There is a dev that staed he brought the matter to the attention of CCP, but that we would have to wait. I'm fine with that, but it's a holiday and I'd really like to give CCP some money. Not doing it until they clear this up.
I'm pretty sure this answers your question, and is stickied on the first page of General Discussion. Notice how they don't use the word "beta", meaning they don't plan to reset for commercial release either.
As for whether or not you'd get Aur/Merc pack/Event Items back I can only draw on common sense to say: Yes, you would. Not only have they done it every time a wipe has occurred in the past, but they'd make every player in the game who has spent money (which is the player-base they want to keep) angry if they failed to. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
209
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:19:00 -
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CCP, I also want to give you more money but...I don't have any. |
Superluminal Replicant
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.30 22:26:00 -
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For fracksake not this bollocks again.
No resets, no wipes. Quit crying.
The game is released its freely available on the PSN for anyone that wants to play.
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Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
237
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:19:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:[I'm pretty sure this answers your question, and is stickied on the first page of General Discussion. Notice how they don't use the word "beta", meaning they don't plan to reset for commercial release either. As for whether or not you'd get Aur/Merc pack/Event Items back I can only draw on common sense to say: Yes, you would. Not only have they done it every time a wipe has occurred in the past, but they'd make every player in the game who has spent money (which is the player-base they want to keep) angry if they failed to.
Thanks for the thought out response. However, that didn't answer it and falls under the whole player theorizing side of the problem. As I mentioned in the original post I was aware of that post and NO it does NOT answer the question. That post was made after everyone started complaining about the possibility of another beta SP reset; however, there were posts that clearly stated a reset would happen on final release. I anticipate it likely still will, otherwise all the beta players will have an interesting headstart. That MAY be CCP's intention, but I'd like to hear it confirmed.
Superluminal Replicant wrote:For fracksake not this bollocks again.
No resets, no wipes. Quit crying.
The game is released its freely available on the PSN for anyone that wants to play.
lol. People you like you make me laugh to no end. Reading comprehension required - might need to start posting that. Also, you're not CCP, you have zero idea, you're just parroting what other people have said. Now quit QQ'ing about people asking questions. |
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
396
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:47:00 -
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another merc waiting to buy more packs |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:50:00 -
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I don't feel like searching for my thread but CCP has posted that there will not be a total character wipe for commercial release. Because I thought the same thing as you.....so I specifically asked if they were referring to beta wipe or release wipe. And they said there will be no more wipes.
So, if there won't be any more wipes...don't count on your aur being refunded ever. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1156
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:53:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I don't feel like searching for my thread but CCP has posted that there will not be a total character wipe for commercial release. Because I thought the same thing as you.....so I specifically asked if they were referring to beta wipe or release wipe. And they said there will be no more wipes.
So, if there won't be any more wipes...don't count on your aur being refunded ever.
Awesome |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.30 23:53:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I don't feel like searching for my thread but CCP has posted that there will not be a total character wipe for commercial release. Because I thought the same thing as you.....so I specifically asked if they were referring to beta wipe or release wipe. And they said there will be no more wipes.
So, if there won't be any more wipes...don't count on your aur being refunded ever.
Wish CCP would just officially announced AGAIN that there will be no more wipes for all the people with ADD and no talent with the search engine. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
396
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Posted - 2013.03.31 00:10:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I don't feel like searching for my thread but CCP has posted that there will not be a total character wipe for commercial release. Because I thought the same thing as you.....so I specifically asked if they were referring to beta wipe or release wipe. And they said there will be no more wipes.
So, if there won't be any more wipes...don't count on your aur being refunded ever. Wish CCP would just officially announced AGAIN that there will be no more wipes for all the people with ADD and no talent with the search engine.
that would be most FPS gamers sota.
i just like participating though |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
3
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Posted - 2013.03.31 00:14:00 -
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They might just reset the skills and ratios maybe. That would be actually good for people willing to get a fresh start because they've massed up their builds because they lecked knowledge of the game when they've first joined.
I am not talking about me in this post, if by any chance you though that you are wrong, sir, for having such senseless thoughts.
Llan Heindell. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2247
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:37:00 -
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1. No wipes/resets is confirmed. 2. CCP haven't made any clear statement about what's happening with old Merc Packs or the ones from stores that refuse to update their description. 3. If the official answer is that we don't get our Merc Pack stuff refunded, there's a solid legal argument to say CCP aren't honouring the deal offered. It's not going to affect me significantly regardless, but I'm supporting that argument because it DOES have legitimacy. 4. There's still an active thread about this in which this discussion really should be taking place. 5. OP spelt "wipe" wrong. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:05:00 -
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Illuminaughty-696 wrote:Still no word on the whole merc pack / AUR issue? Basically, two things need to be clarified before I start giving you money again. These questions assume that this is not commercial release, as was clarified by a dev post.
1). Will there be a character whipe on commercial release? The announcement section says there will be no more whipes barring something crazy, but my understanding was that the post was in response to people thinking there would be more beta whipes, not that there wouldn't be a whipe on commercial release.
2). If a character whipe of any kind occurs, will we be refunded our merc packs (specifically the packs offered now which do not include the reimbursement disclaimer as they used to)? I assume those packs purchased when it did say there we would get AUR refunded on commercial release will be refunded because that's what the purchase agreement stated. If not, well that will be a whole different issue to be resolved somewhere aside from these forums.
I want to buy more AURUM, but I don't want to do so if you plan to whipe SP for commercial release but NOT refund AURUM. Your lack of clarity in this matter is costing you money. I want to buy more merc packs. About a third of the people in my corp want to buy more merc packs. We aren't doing so and won't do so until this is cleared up.
Assuming (unscientifically of course) that this trend is more or less true across the greater player population, that's a lot of money you're not getting. We want to give you our money, CCP, but many of us are not willing to do so without knowing how things are going to work. The beta is, at times, fun, but not nearly fun enough to be spending money on it.
Also, if this thread gets merged or locked because there is some other thread similar to it, fine, we'll stop spending money until it reaches commercial release. I'm appealing to your desire to make money while you continue to develop this game. I can't say how much you'll be losing if you don't clear this situation up but at least four people of a corp of twelve aren't currently spending the money we'd like to be. Please let us give you our money again.
tl;dr nobody cares if you don't give ccp money. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3293
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:29:00 -
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CCP said no more wipes.
If there is a wipe, you will be refunded; that is how it always happened |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2248
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:31:00 -
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I forgot to mention...
I'm not buying a Merc Pack I plan to buy at some point, but NOT because of this issue. I'm waiting to see if we get a new pack with a Caldari Small Frame BPO, because WANT. I also want some way to get my hands on the Daemon Shotgun BPO that was given out in a limited-availability bundle that wouldn't give me anything else useful except the Shotgun and which included some physical items I really don't have the space to keep in my home. |
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Drifter MAGGOT
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
40
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:34:00 -
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Illuminaughty-696 wrote:Still no word on the whole merc pack / AUR issue? Basically, two things need to be clarified before I start giving you money again. These questions assume that this is not commercial release, as was clarified by a dev post.
1). Will there be a character whipe on commercial release? The announcement section says there will be no more whipes barring something crazy, but my understanding was that the post was in response to people thinking there would be more beta whipes, not that there wouldn't be a whipe on commercial release.
2). If a character whipe of any kind occurs, will we be refunded our merc packs (specifically the packs offered now which do not include the reimbursement disclaimer as they used to)? I assume those packs purchased when it did say there we would get AUR refunded on commercial release will be refunded because that's what the purchase agreement stated. If not, well that will be a whole different issue to be resolved somewhere aside from these forums.
I want to buy more AURUM, but I don't want to do so if you plan to whipe SP for commercial release but NOT refund AURUM. Your lack of clarity in this matter is costing you money. I want to buy more merc packs. About a third of the people in my corp want to buy more merc packs. We aren't doing so and won't do so until this is cleared up.
Assuming (unscientifically of course) that this trend is more or less true across the greater player population, that's a lot of money you're not getting. We want to give you our money, CCP, but many of us are not willing to do so without knowing how things are going to work. The beta is, at times, fun, but not nearly fun enough to be spending money on it.
Also, if this thread gets merged or locked because there is some other thread similar to it, fine, we'll stop spending money until it reaches commercial release. I'm appealing to your desire to make money while you continue to develop this game. I can't say how much you'll be losing if you don't clear this situation up but at least four people of a corp of twelve aren't currently spending the money we'd like to be. Please let us give you our money again.
Quick question. What if u buy AUR but do not spend it? Does this mean with a wipe you keep Aur Then get reimbursed the Aur you didn't spend (double Aur)?
Wrap your head around that.............. |
snipper doo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.04.06 01:55:00 -
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Bump |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
124
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Posted - 2013.04.06 02:07:00 -
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So nothing short of the CEO of CCP coming to your house personally, sitting you down, and explaining it to you as they would a child will satisfy you, eh? |
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