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Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.29 20:11:00 - [1] - Quote my surya has 11217 armor and 2530 shields, I went up against an assault forge gun, when my shields were completely down, nobody else shot at me but him, his assault forge gun took out about 4592 hp out of my tank in 3 seconds, I don't believe that is right, 1st of all something that can shoot that rapidly should NOT be able to do that much damage even with all the damage mods, its ridiculous. just 2 shots took out more than half of 11217 armor, just 2 shots, how is this not OP? regardless of damage mods with it, it shouldn't be able to do that much damage especially since it has a very quick charge up time. if it was a prototype I would understand that damage. but it was barely the 1st assault forge gun that is available, this is ridiculous. 11217 armor no shields 4592 hp taken out with a single shot (im guessing with damage mods) because I noticed that in those 2 shots I was taken down to less than half of my armor. plus that thing is even more powerful than the last prototype rail gun.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote Void Echo wrote: my surya has 11217 armor and 2530 shields, I went up against an assault forge gun, when my shields were completely down, nobody else shot at me but him, his assault forge gun took out about 4592 hp out of my tank in 3 seconds, I don't believe that is right, 1st of all something that can shoot that rapidly should NOT be able to do that much damage even with all the damage mods, its ridiculous. just 2 shots took out more than half of 11217 armor, just 2 shots, how is this not OP? regardless of damage mods with it, it shouldn't be able to do that much damage especially since it has a very quick charge up time. if it was a prototype I would understand that damage. but it was barely the 1st assault forge gun that is available, this is ridiculous. 11217 armor no shields 4592 hp taken out with a single shot (im guessing with damage mods) because I noticed that in those 2 shots I was taken down to less than half of my armor. plus that thing is even more powerful than the last prototype rail gun. I call BS. Assault Forge, the level 2 one as you mentioned, does 1260 pts. unmodified. In a proto suit, with 4 damage mods (not sure if proto heavy has 4) you're looking at a max (not counting stacking penalties) of about 1839. Add max skills in and...you're nowhere near 4592. Maybe a high end breach forge gun though, but that has a much lower rate of fire. My bet is that more than one guy was forging you.
Stephen Rao Verboten XXI 0	Posted - 2013.03.29 20:49:00 - [3] - Quote You are also talking about the best AV weapon (Forge Guns in general) and complaining that they were good against your tank? Have you ever tried to hit someone with a Forge Gun? @Buster, an Assault Forge Gun with a Level 5 in Operations should be able to get 2 shots off in just over 3 seconds. Still not 4592, but a lot of damage.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 64	Posted - 2013.03.29 20:56:00 - [4] - Quote well i can see it doing 3700~ damage so im guess your were shot by more then just him which did 1000~ damage most likely a av nade non packed type
Buster Friently Rosen Association 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:00:00 - [5] - Quote Stephen Rao wrote: You are also talking about the best AV weapon (Forge Guns in general) and complaining that they were good against your tank? Have you ever tried to hit someone with a Forge Gun? @Buster, an Assault Forge Gun with a Level 5 in Operations should be able to get 2 shots off in just over 3 seconds. Still not 4592, but a lot of damage. He's claiming 4592 per shot though, using the level 2 weapon.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 333	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:01:00 - [6] - Quote You got your arse kicked. Get over it. The only OP arguments against FGs are their anti-infantry capibilities, and whether or not a militia variant should be available. And even those are tenuous.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 64	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Stephen Rao wrote: You are also talking about the best AV weapon (Forge Guns in general) and complaining that they were good against your tank? Have you ever tried to hit someone with a Forge Gun? @Buster, an Assault Forge Gun with a Level 5 in Operations should be able to get 2 shots off in just over 3 seconds. Still not 4592, but a lot of damage. He's claiming 4592 per shot though, using the level 2 weapon. he actually never said per shot just over the span of 3 seconds which could of been the start of the first shot and into the second shot.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:17:00 - [8] - Quote Void Echo wrote: my surya has 11217 armor and 2530 shields, I went up against an assault forge gun, when my shields were completely down, nobody else shot at me but him, his assault forge gun took out about 4592 hp out of my tank in 3 seconds, I don't believe that is right, 1st of all something that can shoot that rapidly should NOT be able to do that much damage even with all the damage mods, its ridiculous. just 2 shots took out more than half of 11217 armor, just 2 shots, how is this not OP? regardless of damage mods with it, it shouldn't be able to do that much damage especially since it has a very quick charge up time. if it was a prototype I would understand that damage. but it was barely the 1st assault forge gun that is available, this is ridiculous. 11217 armor no shields 4592 hp taken out with a single shot (im guessing with damage mods) because I noticed that in those 2 shots I was taken down to less than half of my armor. plus that thing is even more powerful than the last prototype rail gun. Bolded and underlined for clarity. he initially claims 3 seconds, then claims per shot. Also he identifies the gun as "barely the 1st assault forge gun"
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 55	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:20:00 - [9] - Quote how would he know what kind of forge gun it was. Everyone leave this thread alone and let it get lost with the other stupid not well thought out posts
Buster Friently Rosen Association 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:23:00 - [10] - Quote slypie11 wrote: how would he know what kind of forge gun it was. Everyone leave this thread alone and let it get lost with the other stupid not well thought out posts Presumably, his tank was destroyed, and he read the kill log, and then jumped on here making assumptions.

Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:24:00 - [11] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Stephen Rao wrote: You are also talking about the best AV weapon (Forge Guns in general) and complaining that they were good against your tank? Have you ever tried to hit someone with a Forge Gun? @Buster, an Assault Forge Gun with a Level 5 in Operations should be able to get 2 shots off in just over 3 seconds. Still not 4592, but a lot of damage. He's claiming 4592 per shot though, using the level 2 weapon. wrong, it added up to that amount in 2 shots, and no there was nobody else shooting at me, he the rest of his team was on the front line across the map, and there were no av granades, he was too far to throw one at me
Buster Friently Rosen Association 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Stephen Rao wrote: You are also talking about the best AV weapon (Forge Guns in general) and complaining that they were good against your tank? Have you ever tried to hit someone with a Forge Gun? @Buster, an Assault Forge Gun with a Level 5 in Operations should be able to get 2 shots off in just over 3 seconds. Still not 4592, but a lot of damage. He's claiming 4592 per shot though, using the level 2 weapon. wrong, it added up to that amount in 2 shots, and no there was nobody else shooting at me, he the rest of his team was on the front line across the map, and there were no av granades, he was too far to throw one at me Look, I'm going to have to disagree that you know what you typed. Please see the bolded, underlined text. I accept that, now, you see how absurd that looks and you probably didn't mean to say that.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 64	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:35:00 - [13] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: ladwar wrote: he actually never said per shot just over the span of 3 seconds which could of been the start of the first shot and into the second shot. Actually, he does. Void Echo wrote: my surya has 11217 armor and 2530 shields, I went up against an assault forge gun, when my shields were completely down, nobody else shot at me but him, his assault forge gun took out about 4592 hp out of my tank in 3 seconds, I don't believe that is right, 1st of all something that can shoot that rapidly should NOT be able to do that much damage even with all the damage mods, its ridiculous. just 2 shots took out more than half of 11217 armor, just 2 shots, how is this not OP? regardless of damage mods with it, it shouldn't be able to do that much damage especially since it has a very quick charge up time. if it was a prototype I would understand that damage. but it was barely the 1st assault forge gun that is available, this is ridiculous. 11217 armor no shields 4592 hp taken out with a single shot (im guessing with damage mods) because I noticed that in those 2 shots I was taken down to less than half of my armor. plus that thing is even more powerful than the last prototype rail gun. Bolded and underlined for clarity. he initially claims 3 seconds, then claims per shot. Also he identifies the gun as "barely the 1st assault forge gun" He then goes on to mention that two shots took him down to less than half of his 11217 armor. thanks i guess i scanned his post to quickly then, you are right. im going to have to say then the op either didn't see any other hits or is buffing his numbers to feel better about himself. max i could see a breach forge gun doing is 4200~ with 4 damage mods(not working stacking penalty) in a single shot per 4.5 second.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 7	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:36:00 - [14] - Quote Void Echo wrote: my surya has 11217 armor and 2530 shields, I went up against an assault forge gun, when my shields were completely down, nobody else shot at me but him, his assault forge gun took out about 4592 hp out of my tank in 3 seconds, I don't believe that is right, 1st of all something that can shoot that rapidly should NOT be able to do that much damage even with all the damage mods, its ridiculous. just 2 shots took out more than half of 11217 armor, just 2 shots, how is this not OP? regardless of damage mods with it, it shouldn't be able to do that much damage especially since it has a very quick charge up time. if it was a prototype I would understand that damage. but it was barely the 1st assault forge gun that is available, this is ridiculous. 11217 armor no shields 4592 hp taken out with a single shot (im guessing with damage mods) because I noticed that in those 2 shots I was taken down to less than half of my armor. plus that thing is even more powerful than the last prototype rail gun. As a fellow tanker, I feel your pain. I was two shotted once by the 37k isk forge gun and I had 4.7k shields and close to 60% resists. I Agree that the simple FGs should not deal more damage than a proto railgun. Each railgun should deal more damage than the equivalent level FG, simply because a small handheld device should not be able to pack a bigger punch than something much bigger than it and supplied by more power (the tank).
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:40:00 - [15] - Quote slypie11 wrote: how would he know what kind of forge gun it was. Everyone leave this thread alone and let it get lost with the other stupid not well thought out posts **** you
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.29 22:13:00 - [16] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Void Echo wrote: my surya has 11217 armor and 2530 shields, I went up against an assault forge gun, when my shields were completely down, nobody else shot at me but him, his assault forge gun took out about 4592 hp out of my tank in 3 seconds, I don't believe that is right, 1st of all something that can shoot that rapidly should NOT be able to do that much damage even with all the damage mods, its ridiculous. just 2 shots took out more than half of 11217 armor, just 2 shots, how is this not OP? regardless of damage mods with it, it shouldn't be able to do that much damage especially since it has a very quick charge up time. if it was a prototype I would understand that damage. but it was barely the 1st assault forge gun that is available, this is ridiculous. 11217 armor no shields 4592 hp taken out with a single shot (im guessing with damage mods) because I noticed that in those 2 shots I was taken down to less than half of my armor. plus that thing is even more powerful than the last prototype rail gun. As a fellow tanker, I feel your pain. I was two shotted once by the 37k isk forge gun and I had 4.7k shields and close to 60% resists. I Agree that the simple FGs should not deal more damage than a proto railgun. Each railgun should deal more damage than the equivalent level FG, simply because a small handheld device should not be able to pack a bigger punch than something much bigger than it and supplied by more power (the tank). the ratio of vehicle drivers to assaulters in this game is 4-1
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 55	Posted - 2013.03.29 22:15:00 - [17] - Quote Void Echo wrote: slypie11 wrote: how would he know what kind of forge gun it was. Everyone leave this thread alone and let it get lost with the other stupid not well thought out posts **** you real mature
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.29 22:18:00 - [18] - Quote slypie11 wrote: Void Echo wrote: slypie11 wrote: how would he know what kind of forge gun it was. Everyone leave this thread alone and let it get lost with the other stupid not well thought out posts **** you real mature I don't take well to insults
Buster Friently Rosen Association 230	Posted - 2013.03.29 22:23:00 - [19] - Quote Void Echo wrote: the ratio of vehicle drivers to assaulters in this game is 4-1 So there's 4 times as many vehicle drivers as assaulters?
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.29 22:25:00 - [20] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Void Echo wrote: the ratio of vehicle drivers to assaulters in this game is 4-1 So there's 4 times as many vehicle drivers as assaulters? lol, sorry about the error, its meant to be the other way around, for some reason as fast as I can type, the less accurate I am at spelling and positions....

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2213	Posted - 2013.03.30 00:38:00 - [21] - Quote He fired 2 shots and still only barely cross the halfway mark of your tank's ability to survive that damage? Sounds like it's underpowered to me.
BOZ MR BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 43	Posted - 2013.03.30 01:20:00 - [22] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: He fired 2 shots and still only barely cross the halfway mark of your tank's ability to survive that damage? Sounds like it's underpowered to me. I fail to see your intelligence. That tank costs about 2M with at least 4M sp to build a decent fit, a forge gun which requires 100K sp maybe and a little bit of ISK Taking it out, and you think it is fair? Honestly , tell me if there is a way for a guy using assault type-1 take out a guy with VK-1. 1V1 face to face. This should be the case about tanks. I can barely stracth shield of VK-1 guys with my standart MD but with standard forge you can take a fully fitted and heavily buffed surya down. Buff tanks CCP, av is getting better thanks are staying same.
Stephen Rao Verboten XXI 0	Posted - 2013.03.30 03:10:00 - [23] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Buff tanks CCP, av is getting better thanks are staying same. Really? I think the Tanker crowd is getting a taste of their own medicine. It was not 2 weeks ago that I would be in instant games that were absolutely dominated by Tanks. They would sit on spawn points and slaughter teams before they could organize offensives and would use terrain to hide from the starter swarm launchers that were desperatly thrown at them. As such I began investing in AV weaponry in both Grenades and Forge Guns, and with similar experiences I bet many others did as well. Now when I see a Tank, I know what kind of tank it is (armour -vs- shield, militia -vs- standard -vs- advanced) and how I am going to go about attacking it. I have seen teammates doing the same, and have seen more than 3 Forge Guns working together when there are Tanks on the field for extended periods of time. It isn't that AV is becoming more powerful, or that Tanks are getting weaker, you are playing against smarter/organized opponents that are using AV more effectively. Your Tank shouldn't be able to motor boat an entire team, regardless of your ISK and SP investments.
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.30 03:35:00 - [24] - Quote Stephen Rao wrote: BOZ MR wrote: Buff tanks CCP, av is getting better thanks are staying same. Really? I think the Tanker crowd is getting a taste of their own medicine. It was not 2 weeks ago that I would be in instant games that were absolutely dominated by Tanks. They would sit on spawn points and slaughter teams before they could organize offensives and would use terrain to hide from the starter swarm launchers that were desperatly thrown at them. As such I began investing in AV weaponry in both Grenades and Forge Guns, and with similar experiences I bet many others did as well. Now when I see a Tank, I know what kind of tank it is (armour -vs- shield, militia -vs- standard -vs- advanced) and how I am going to go about attacking it. I have seen teammates doing the same, and have seen more than 3 Forge Guns working together when there are Tanks on the field for extended periods of time. It isn't that AV is becoming more powerful, or that Tanks are getting weaker, you are playing against smarter/organized opponents that are using AV more effectively. Your Tank shouldn't be able to motor boat an entire team, regardless of your ISK and SP investments. the last part isn't true, tanks are built and meant to take on entire teams and other vehicle, they do better with support, and a whole team running AV to kill us off is how it should be NOT a single AV player on the enemy team
Buster Friently Rosen Association 235	Posted - 2013.03.30 05:54:00 - [25] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Stephen Rao wrote: BOZ MR wrote: Buff tanks CCP, av is getting better thanks are staying same. Really? I think the Tanker crowd is getting a taste of their own medicine. It was not 2 weeks ago that I would be in instant games that were absolutely dominated by Tanks. They would sit on spawn points and slaughter teams before they could organize offensives and would use terrain to hide from the starter swarm launchers that were desperatly thrown at them. As such I began investing in AV weaponry in both Grenades and Forge Guns, and with similar experiences I bet many others did as well. Now when I see a Tank, I know what kind of tank it is (armour -vs- shield, militia -vs- standard -vs- advanced) and how I am going to go about attacking it. I have seen teammates doing the same, and have seen more than 3 Forge Guns working together when there are Tanks on the field for extended periods of time. It isn't that AV is becoming more powerful, or that Tanks are getting weaker, you are playing against smarter/organized opponents that are using AV more effectively. Your Tank shouldn't be able to motor boat an entire team, regardless of your ISK and SP investments. the last part isn't true, tanks are built and meant to take on entire teams and other vehicle, they do better with support, and a whole team running AV to kill us off is how it should be NOT a single AV player on the enemy team lol, no. It should not take a whole team to eliminate one player no matter what they're in or how much isk has been spent. That is the definition of OP.
Rusty Shallows Creative Killers 29	Posted - 2013.03.30 06:17:00 - [26] - Quote Four High Slots: A heavy suit with four high slots. Man that's a nice dream. Strictly limiting the highs and lows (no equipment) is one of the balancing points on Heavies. I'll have to get my Amar Dropsuit skill to three before they will even give me a second low slot. CCP could give the 200k ISK heavy four high slots however inexplicable that event may be. Three second for two shots: When chunks of health go flying off five seconds might as well be three seconds. No one is using a stop watch. Unless higher tier Assault Forge variants have a quicker charge time than what is published then the fastest a shot will be 1.875 seconds. 2.5 (base charge time) * 0.75 (25 percent from operation skill) = 1.875 seconds. That doesn't include the travel time. The speed of the forge shots were slowed down at some point so ranged targets may not even seem hit at first only to then suddenly show a drop in effected hit points. First time noticing that I thought it was game bug....
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 739	Posted - 2013.03.30 08:30:00 - [27] - Quote Thank you for the surya tanks. they are delicious. Prototype forge guns eat them. 100k sp my ass you got hit by a phenomenal gunner with a cheaper fit. get over it. I routinely splash 2 mil ISK tanks solo. It isnt that hard when I wait till you are busy shooting someone else. Assault forge guns are the training wheels. the ishukone assault and grimlock guristas guns are the ones you need to soil yourself over. I find your assertion that tanks should take an entire team laughable. you have 4 mil SP in HAVs? I have six million SP in heavy AV fits to include the needed armor support skills, weapon skills and such. I find your whine amusing when my 350,000 per fit heavy suit dies to a bare fraction of what your tank can soak up. This thread is a whine. You want to drive your fancy tank? I want to blow it up. Suck it up.
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.30 09:16:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Thank you for the surya tanks. they are delicious. Prototype forge guns eat them. 100k sp my ass you got hit by a phenomenal gunner with a cheaper fit. get over it. I routinely splash 2 mil ISK tanks solo. It isnt that hard when I wait till you are busy shooting someone else. Assault forge guns are the training wheels. the ishukone assault and grimlock guristas guns are the ones you need to soil yourself over. I find your assertion that tanks should take an entire team laughable. you have 4 mil SP in HAVs? I have six million SP in heavy AV fits to include the needed armor support skills, weapon skills and such. I find your whine amusing when my 350,000 per fit heavy suit dies to a bare fraction of what your tank can soak up. This thread is a whine. You want to drive your fancy tank? I want to blow it up. Suck it up. the sp you spent on AV is something that I agree on when dealing with you AV people, tanks should be able to fight off teams, that's why they have giant blasters, to kill infantry, in Av view tanks should be equal to dropsuits so we are easier to kill, before the big nerf in closed beta it actually took an entire team to take one of us out, now it only takes 1.
BOZ MR BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 43	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:34:00 - [29] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Thank you for the surya tanks. they are delicious. Prototype forge guns eat them. 100k sp my ass you got hit by a phenomenal gunner with a cheaper fit. get over it. I routinely splash 2 mil ISK tanks solo. It isnt that hard when I wait till you are busy shooting someone else. Assault forge guns are the training wheels. the ishukone assault and grimlock guristas guns are the ones you need to soil yourself over. I find your assertion that tanks should take an entire team laughable. you have 4 mil SP in HAVs? I have six million SP in heavy AV fits to include the needed armor support skills, weapon skills and such. I find your whine amusing when my 350,000 per fit heavy suit dies to a bare fraction of what your tank can soak up. This thread is a whine. You want to drive your fancy tank? I want to blow it up. Suck it up. I said 4 M at least I have spent over 6M to tanks and can send you a screenshot if you want..
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 746	Posted - 2013.03.30 11:08:00 - [30] - Quote Boz you are under the mistaken impression that I care. My point is for AV to not be a complete sick joke I have to invest as much as you do to kill tanks. Add to that your little grunt buddies? Forge guns arent so hot at killing them. Thats what your grunt buddies are for. to keep the av from blowing your tank up. And if I shot your tank you would probably crap a kitten. I can kill most marauders in 4-5 shots. If you stick around long enough for me to lob that fifth shot then the problem is not forge guns being OP, it means you need to rethink your tactics. If me and a buddy are shooting your tank, you are screwed.

BOZ MR BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 43	Posted - 2013.03.30 11:43:00 - [31] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Boz you are under the mistaken impression that I care. My point is for AV to not be a complete sick joke I have to invest as much as you do to kill tanks. Add to that your little grunt buddies? Forge guns arent so hot at killing them. Thats what your grunt buddies are for. to keep the av from blowing your tank up. And if I shot your tank you would probably crap a kitten. I can kill most marauders in 4-5 shots. If you stick around long enough for me to lob that fifth shot then the problem is not forge guns being OP, it means you need to rethink your tactics. If me and a buddy are shooting your tank, you are screwed. If it takes 5 shot than it is not OP. sory mate. You are right I should not stick my nose out long enough to get 5 shots. Problem is not Forge though those stupid Heatseeking intelligent AV nades.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2239	Posted - 2013.03.30 13:08:00 - [32] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: He fired 2 shots and still only barely cross the halfway mark of your tank's ability to survive that damage? Sounds like it's underpowered to me. I fail to see your intelligence. That tank costs about 2M with at least 4M sp to build a decent fit, a forge gun which requires 100K sp maybe and a little bit of ISK Taking it out, and you think it is fair? You invested 4 million SP into building a fitting that's intended to be basically immune to damage from small arms fire, and can dish out enough damage to kill that Heavy in less time than he spent taking half your armour down after someone else cleared your shields for him. To deal the kind of damage you're looking at, he spent at least half a million SP into building a fitting that's almost completely useless for anti-infantry combat, in order to have a chance - if you don't pick him out and paint the walls with his Dropsuit first - at something more than scratching your paint. Quote: Honestly , tell me if there is a way for a guy using assault type-1 take out a guy with VK-1. 1V1 face to face. It's not quite the type-1, but I can take a Militia Assault suit with a Militia Shotgun up against a vk.1 Assault with a reasonable expectation of success in face-to-face 1 vs. 1 combat. Quote: This should be the case about tanks. I can barely stracth shield of VK-1 guys with my standart MD but with standard forge you can take a fully fitted and heavily buffed surya down. And your MD against the vk.1 is like an AR against a tank. It's a very poor choice of weapon for the target. The Forge Gun vs. tank is like my Shotgun vs. Protosuit. It's an equaliser doing the job it's meant to do in the right hands.
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.30 19:58:00 - [33] - Quote funny thing is, iv spent 5.5 million sp into tanks
Stephen Rao Verboten XXI 4	Posted - 2013.03.30 22:24:00 - [34] - Quote Void Echo wrote: funny thing is, iv spent 5.5 million sp into tanks Ok, well you seem to think with that 5.5 mil SP you should be entitled to a more durable tank. Sure, let's do that. While we're at giving you a ton more health, let's segment that damage into sections of your tank, so I can blow the tracks off it and pound it's immobile form with AV grenades. Or let me blow the barrel off your turret so it's unusable. Or let me target the optical's so that you can't see outside of the tank without exposing your head to incoming fire. Sound fair?
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 749	Posted - 2013.03.31 02:14:00 - [35] - Quote Void Echo wrote: funny thing is, iv spent 5.5 million sp into tanks How is this relevant in a game designed so that new players have the ability to spank and gank veterans? Sp/isk investment is not license for immunity. Is your 5.5 million in HAVs more important than my 6 mil in forge gun fit SP? Should a tank magically make my dedicated AV investment superfluous? This topic comes up every few days an it is tired. Tankers want less risk. No. Don't drive anything you cannot afford to lose.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 73	Posted - 2013.03.31 02:23:00 - [36] - Quote Tanks are meant to take small arms fire like its nothing, but when someone has AV, kill them or have someone else kill them
Volgair The Tritan Industries 250	Posted - 2013.03.31 04:12:00 - [37] - Quote I think that was me that did that to you, if so it was a proto forge with proficiency 4 and 2 damage mods, not a standard.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD 296	Posted - 2013.03.31 04:45:00 - [38] - Quote Volgair wrote: I think that was me that did that to you, if so it was a proto forge with proficiency 4 and 2 damage mods, not a standard. Ah, the voice of reality. Sir, you are most welcome in this exchange.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 749	Posted - 2013.03.31 10:11:00 - [39] - Quote Volgair wrote: I think that was me that did that to you, if so it was a proto forge with proficiency 4 and 2 damage mods, not a standard. If it was me I assure you sir, I use 3 complex damage mods to kill your tanks. otherwise, what he said.
Luther Mandrix Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2013.03.31 12:07:00 - [40] - Quote Grimlock Lvov 5 assault forge 1512 damage x 4 shots = 6048 damage in 10 seconds 3 dram mode protons heavy = 468.72 damage per shot Lvl4 forge gun proficiency 3% x 4 = 12% of 1512 = 181.44 extra damage per shot. 1512+468.72+181.44=2162.16DAMAGE PER SHOT 2162.16X4 shots =8648.64damage if 4 shots hit you in 10 seconds.

0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 175	Posted - 2013.04.01 00:34:00 - [41] - Quote Honestly, I'm ok right now with a good forge gunner being able to solo a proto shield tanked sagaris. (If you say this is bad tanker/not possible, you are just doing it wrong.) I'd like it if the cost of a proto forge gun was higher. To solo the 2+mil isk Sagaris, you need to spend at least a few hundred thousand isk on the gun alone. 200 to 300k isk for a full load-out that can destroy something worth 7-10+ times more expensive is meh. Anyways, right now shield tanks can kill armor tanks. Armor tanks require at least two proto AV to take out. A shield tank can die to 1. The fact that my tank can counter something expensive that one Proto AV cannot makes me feel ok about it. so, in terms of what they can do vs each other: Shield > Armor Armor > Infantry Infantry > Shield so there's a counter to almost everything. It's really going to suck to go into pub games when there are five guys on the other side with proto AV, but we'll see if CCP will add something for tankers when we come to that point. I'm fine with CCP not changing anything about it.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 115	Posted - 2013.04.01 05:01:00 - [42] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Honestly , tell me if there is a way for a guy using assault type-1 take out a guy with VK-1. 1V1 face to face. I've done it. You need some finesse, ya see.


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