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BOZ MR BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 43	Posted - 2013.03.30 11:43:00 - [31] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Boz you are under the mistaken impression that I care. My point is for AV to not be a complete sick joke I have to invest as much as you do to kill tanks. Add to that your little grunt buddies? Forge guns arent so hot at killing them. Thats what your grunt buddies are for. to keep the av from blowing your tank up. And if I shot your tank you would probably crap a kitten. I can kill most marauders in 4-5 shots. If you stick around long enough for me to lob that fifth shot then the problem is not forge guns being OP, it means you need to rethink your tactics. If me and a buddy are shooting your tank, you are screwed. If it takes 5 shot than it is not OP. sory mate. You are right I should not stick my nose out long enough to get 5 shots. Problem is not Forge though those stupid Heatseeking intelligent AV nades.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2239	Posted - 2013.03.30 13:08:00 - [32] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: He fired 2 shots and still only barely cross the halfway mark of your tank's ability to survive that damage? Sounds like it's underpowered to me. I fail to see your intelligence. That tank costs about 2M with at least 4M sp to build a decent fit, a forge gun which requires 100K sp maybe and a little bit of ISK Taking it out, and you think it is fair? You invested 4 million SP into building a fitting that's intended to be basically immune to damage from small arms fire, and can dish out enough damage to kill that Heavy in less time than he spent taking half your armour down after someone else cleared your shields for him. To deal the kind of damage you're looking at, he spent at least half a million SP into building a fitting that's almost completely useless for anti-infantry combat, in order to have a chance - if you don't pick him out and paint the walls with his Dropsuit first - at something more than scratching your paint. Quote: Honestly , tell me if there is a way for a guy using assault type-1 take out a guy with VK-1. 1V1 face to face. It's not quite the type-1, but I can take a Militia Assault suit with a Militia Shotgun up against a vk.1 Assault with a reasonable expectation of success in face-to-face 1 vs. 1 combat. Quote: This should be the case about tanks. I can barely stracth shield of VK-1 guys with my standart MD but with standard forge you can take a fully fitted and heavily buffed surya down. And your MD against the vk.1 is like an AR against a tank. It's a very poor choice of weapon for the target. The Forge Gun vs. tank is like my Shotgun vs. Protosuit. It's an equaliser doing the job it's meant to do in the right hands.
Void Echo A.I. 34	Posted - 2013.03.30 19:58:00 - [33] - Quote funny thing is, iv spent 5.5 million sp into tanks
Stephen Rao Verboten XXI 4	Posted - 2013.03.30 22:24:00 - [34] - Quote Void Echo wrote: funny thing is, iv spent 5.5 million sp into tanks Ok, well you seem to think with that 5.5 mil SP you should be entitled to a more durable tank. Sure, let's do that. While we're at giving you a ton more health, let's segment that damage into sections of your tank, so I can blow the tracks off it and pound it's immobile form with AV grenades. Or let me blow the barrel off your turret so it's unusable. Or let me target the optical's so that you can't see outside of the tank without exposing your head to incoming fire. Sound fair?
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 749	Posted - 2013.03.31 02:14:00 - [35] - Quote Void Echo wrote: funny thing is, iv spent 5.5 million sp into tanks How is this relevant in a game designed so that new players have the ability to spank and gank veterans? Sp/isk investment is not license for immunity. Is your 5.5 million in HAVs more important than my 6 mil in forge gun fit SP? Should a tank magically make my dedicated AV investment superfluous? This topic comes up every few days an it is tired. Tankers want less risk. No. Don't drive anything you cannot afford to lose.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 73	Posted - 2013.03.31 02:23:00 - [36] - Quote Tanks are meant to take small arms fire like its nothing, but when someone has AV, kill them or have someone else kill them
Volgair The Tritan Industries 250	Posted - 2013.03.31 04:12:00 - [37] - Quote I think that was me that did that to you, if so it was a proto forge with proficiency 4 and 2 damage mods, not a standard.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD 296	Posted - 2013.03.31 04:45:00 - [38] - Quote Volgair wrote: I think that was me that did that to you, if so it was a proto forge with proficiency 4 and 2 damage mods, not a standard. Ah, the voice of reality. Sir, you are most welcome in this exchange.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 749	Posted - 2013.03.31 10:11:00 - [39] - Quote Volgair wrote: I think that was me that did that to you, if so it was a proto forge with proficiency 4 and 2 damage mods, not a standard. If it was me I assure you sir, I use 3 complex damage mods to kill your tanks. otherwise, what he said.
Luther Mandrix Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2013.03.31 12:07:00 - [40] - Quote Grimlock Lvov 5 assault forge 1512 damage x 4 shots = 6048 damage in 10 seconds 3 dram mode protons heavy = 468.72 damage per shot Lvl4 forge gun proficiency 3% x 4 = 12% of 1512 = 181.44 extra damage per shot. 1512+468.72+181.44=2162.16DAMAGE PER SHOT 2162.16X4 shots =8648.64damage if 4 shots hit you in 10 seconds.

0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 175	Posted - 2013.04.01 00:34:00 - [41] - Quote Honestly, I'm ok right now with a good forge gunner being able to solo a proto shield tanked sagaris. (If you say this is bad tanker/not possible, you are just doing it wrong.) I'd like it if the cost of a proto forge gun was higher. To solo the 2+mil isk Sagaris, you need to spend at least a few hundred thousand isk on the gun alone. 200 to 300k isk for a full load-out that can destroy something worth 7-10+ times more expensive is meh. Anyways, right now shield tanks can kill armor tanks. Armor tanks require at least two proto AV to take out. A shield tank can die to 1. The fact that my tank can counter something expensive that one Proto AV cannot makes me feel ok about it. so, in terms of what they can do vs each other: Shield > Armor Armor > Infantry Infantry > Shield so there's a counter to almost everything. It's really going to suck to go into pub games when there are five guys on the other side with proto AV, but we'll see if CCP will add something for tankers when we come to that point. I'm fine with CCP not changing anything about it.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 115	Posted - 2013.04.01 05:01:00 - [42] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Honestly , tell me if there is a way for a guy using assault type-1 take out a guy with VK-1. 1V1 face to face. I've done it. You need some finesse, ya see.


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