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shellhead
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:38:00 -
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Basically it'd be the opposite of a logistics Dropship in that it can pick up, heal, and remove wounded Mercs. it however cannot pick up unharmed Mercs.
Unharmed Mercs can still board the ship when its on the ground but they reduce the usefulness of the ship since the more Mercs that are in the drop ship the fewer the number of people that can be picked up. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:40:00 -
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interesting idea. But maybe it should just be a mod, like the mCRU |
shellhead
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:43:00 -
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slypie11 wrote:interesting idea. But maybe it should just be a mod, like the mCRU Actually I think you're right, it would work a lot better as a mod and be a lot easier for people to use. |
Adelia Lafayette
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.03.28 21:04:00 -
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Combine this modual with a tractor beam on the dropship https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61838&find=unread
would make the ultimate flying medical ship. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:24:00 -
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shellhead wrote:Basically it'd be the opposite of a logistics Dropship in that it can pick up, heal, and remove wounded Mercs. it however cannot pick up unharmed Mercs.
Unharmed Mercs can still board the ship when its on the ground but they reduce the usefulness of the ship since the more Mercs that are in the drop ship the fewer the number of people that can be picked up. M*A*S*H
Totally MASH and I would love to see it. I personally think that it's a great idea! Allow a pilot to see where the down mercs are, land, and have them within the DS revived and getting repairs. I don't know how the downed mercs would get it in, but that's not my job! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:27:00 -
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I like it but it might be a bit... impractical in reality |
shellhead
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:34:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:shellhead wrote:Basically it'd be the opposite of a logistics Dropship in that it can pick up, heal, and remove wounded Mercs. it however cannot pick up unharmed Mercs.
Unharmed Mercs can still board the ship when its on the ground but they reduce the usefulness of the ship since the more Mercs that are in the drop ship the fewer the number of people that can be picked up. M*A*S*H Totally MASH and I would love to see it. I personally think that it's a great idea! Allow a pilot to see where the down mercs are, land, and have them within the DS revived and getting repairs. I don't know how the downed mercs would get it in, but that's not my job! I was thinking there could be some kind of "beam me up" type gun that had to be within a specified range and held over the downed Merc for so long to move them inside the ship.
It could be upgraded to provide a longer range or a larger area to hold over the Merc |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:39:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I like it but it might be a bit... impractical in reality
Wikipedia wrote:An air ambulance is a specially outfitted aircraft that transports injured or sick people in an medical emergency or over distances or terrain impractical for a conventional ground ambulance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_helicopter
GB, think of all the revive and repair WP we could make as Dropship pilots! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:41:00 -
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I'm aware of what an awesome idea this is, but a lot of people go down in areas hard for dropships to get at, add in the ridiculous amounts of AV going round these days, the small maps etc, i just don't see it working very well for dropships |
shellhead
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:43:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I'm aware of what an awesome idea this is, but a lot of people go down in areas hard for dropships to get at, add in the ridiculous amounts of AV going round these days, the small maps etc, i just don't see it working very well for dropships
Thats why I think there should be some kind of beam device, that way the ship doesn't have to directly land and can keep moving to prevent being shot down so easily. |
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Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:13:00 -
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I kind of like a more low-tech looking solution rather than a beam. Say some kind of lift-netting that pops out and latches onto the downed soldier, then quick-lifts them to the dropship. (I'm thinking of something that looks vaguely like a Spider-Man web.) Range of maybe 50m, timing would be around 3 seconds to lift a merc.
Just a thought, what if medics could also board to improve the efficiency of healing? They would also be able to operate the side turrets. The side turrets could consist of additional lifts, so that if you have a pilot and two medics you could theoretically extract three mercs in 3 seconds, four mercs in 6 seconds. (This isn't at all OP for a team of three mercs with substantial ISK expenditure, in my opinion.) And of course, you could put guns in the side turrets as well, to fight off enemies while doing your extraction, but extraction would take longer.
Alternatively, you could make it so only the turrets could lift downed mercs. I don't know how the pilot would aim at a body, with everything else going on. |
shellhead
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:19:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:I kind of like a more low-tech looking solution rather than a beam. Say some kind of lift-netting that pops out and latches onto the downed soldier, then quick-lifts them to the dropship. (I'm thinking of something that looks vaguely like a Spider-Man web.) Range of maybe 50m, timing would be around 3 seconds to lift a merc.
Just a thought, what if medics could also board to improve the efficiency of healing? They would also be able to operate the side turrets. The side turrets could consist of additional lifts, so that if you have a pilot and two medics you could theoretically extract three mercs in 3 seconds, four mercs in 6 seconds. (This isn't at all OP for a team of three mercs with substantial ISK expenditure, in my opinion.) And of course, you could put guns in the side turrets as well, to fight off enemies while doing your extraction, but extraction would take longer.
Alternatively, you could make it so only the turrets could lift downed mercs. I don't know how the pilot would aim at a body, with everything else going on. Thats actually a much better way to implement the basic mechanic I was thinking of. I like the idea of having medics on board improving efficiency.
I think that the removal device should be locked on to the ship possibly in the back and function like the door guns. You should be able to hold 7 people in the ship including crew, so you could choose to have two door gunners or run things a little more risky and be able to pick up five people, regardless it should take a minimum of two people to run a medical drop ship.
Maybe in later builds once drones are incorporated someone with high circuitry skill and drone operation or something could buy an automated extraction device. That way you only need a driver for a functioning evac-ship |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:26:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:I kind of like a more low-tech looking solution rather than a beam. Say some kind of lift-netting that pops out and latches onto the downed soldier, then quick-lifts them to the dropship. (I'm thinking of something that looks vaguely like a Spider-Man web.) Range of maybe 50m, timing would be around 3 seconds to lift a merc.
Just a thought, what if medics could also board to improve the efficiency of healing? They would also be able to operate the side turrets. The side turrets could consist of additional lifts, so that if you have a pilot and two medics you could theoretically extract three mercs in 3 seconds, four mercs in 6 seconds. (This isn't at all OP for a team of three mercs with substantial ISK expenditure, in my opinion.) And of course, you could put guns in the side turrets as well, to fight off enemies while doing your extraction, but extraction would take longer.
Alternatively, you could make it so only the turrets could lift downed mercs. I don't know how the pilot would aim at a body, with everything else going on. A medical dropship shouldn't have turrets. It's both a balancing thing and an honor thing. Ambulances in the wars did not have guns, because having guns would make them a target. It was also considered dishonorable in Western warfare to kill retreating wounded (helpless by their injury and absence of weapons) |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 23:32:00 -
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maybe the dropship should have some kind of beam that heals whoever is in its radius, like some kind of nanite stream. That way, dropships could provide support for ground troops without landing or making themselves sitting ducks. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:07:00 -
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I like the idea of a medical dropship.
As far as the mechanism goes to get downed mercs on board, how about a few drones that detach from the ship and collect or heal any downed mercs within a certain radius of the dropship. This would also allow for an interesting set of skills to go with the mechanic. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:21:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:A medical dropship shouldn't have turrets. It's both a balancing thing and an honor thing. Ambulances in the wars did not have guns, because having guns would make them a target. It was also considered dishonorable in Western warfare to kill retreating wounded (helpless by their injury and absence of weapons) Something that would be true in the real world, and doesn't apply in the slightest to the game world. When you have wounded in the real world, you're not going to inject them with something so they can get right back up and start fighting again within 5 seconds. (At least not most of the time.) Regardless, there won't be an honor system with game-players. The moment they see you, they'll be trying to take you down.
With regards to the "balancing effect" of the turrets, that would only be true if you were using a dropship that is specifically designed to be a medical dropship. If, as someone else suggested, you were to install a module on a standard dropship, you would still have the turret slots. Regardless, I feel like there should be an opportunity for a team to operate a triage unit as opposed to it being limited to just the pilot.
slypie11 wrote:maybe the dropship should have some kind of beam that heals whoever is in its radius, like some kind of nanite stream. That way, dropships could provide support for ground troops without landing or making themselves sitting ducks. Considering this support role already exists for vehicle repairs, I'd be surprised if it didn't happen for infantry as well at some point in the future. But its effectiveness might be limited, considering you'd have to basically be stationary. |
shellhead
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:01:00 -
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Quote: Something that would be true in the real world, and doesn't apply in the slightest to the game world. When you have wounded in the real world, you're not going to inject them with something so they can get right back up and start fighting again within 5 seconds. (At least not most of the time.) Regardless, there won't be an honor system with game-players. The moment they see you, they'll be trying to take you down.
With regards to the "balancing effect" of the turrets, that would only be true if you were using a dropship that is specifically designed to be a medical dropship. If, as someone else suggested, you were to install a module on a standard dropship, you would still have the turret slots. Regardless, I feel like there should be an opportunity for a team to operate a triage unit as opposed to it being limited to just the pilot.
I agree, I know for a fact at least that I'd try to score some free WP if I saw an unarmed drop ship scooting around in hot areas. |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:38:00 -
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+1
A tractor beam tech is already here in DUST. If you look at an approaching RDV you may notice that your vehicle is held beneath it be some kind of force field... Let's attach it to DS. Or just let's use an ordinary strap/net.
When active it will "suck in" all near by troops who respond to the pickup offer displayed on HUD with O button. Priority would be based on armor/shield state, if a team member has an auto-repairer or not if he lays flat or not... ??? |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
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Posted - 2013.03.29 12:52:00 -
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I wrote this post 3 times and deleted it before I decided I'd go simple. I think a tractor beam on a dropship is a terrible idea. 3 words: Remote Repair Turret |
shellhead
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.29 23:26:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:I wrote this post 3 times and deleted it before I decided I'd go simple. I think a tractor beam on a dropship is a terrible idea. 3 words: Remote Repair Turret I agree somewhat but i feel like a remote repair turret could be OP |
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