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Sete Clifton
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:06:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Why should people who bought the merc pack have to choose which one of CCP's promises get kept to them?
One way they are put at a disadvantage to players who CCP didn't make the agreement with, greatly in excess of value of this AUR, the other they lose out on a purchase they made. Can you come up with a better solution? A solution that satisfies both sides. "Both sides?" Meaning "players" and "CCP?"
No, there are plenty of us who believe a refund is not in order, and would rather just move on. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:34:00 -
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Personally, I don't think it's worth fighting over. That being said, if you want a refund and are willing to accept a potential complete character/SP wipe (for everyone), then I have no reason to argue. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:03:00 -
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Commercially Released wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Personally, I don't think it's worth fighting over. That being said, if you want a refund and are willing to accept a potential complete character/SP wipe (for everyone), then I have no reason to argue. Question, if the community had a choice between a total reset for everyone and an AUR reset for everyone, why would they pick the total reset? How does CCP honoring their agreement hurt anyone?
While I personally would be able to accept an AUR only reset, it would cause a problem because not everyone has bought it. The issue is that AUR is both directly (boosters) and indirectly (items) tied to SP and ISK gains. So, people who get their AUR refunded would essentially be getting free SP/items compared to people who have have little to nothing in AUR. It would effectively have made AUR an investment with 100% interest and those who didn't "invest" in it would be losing out. The more AUR/merc packs you bought, the more of an advantage you be getting (as everything is essentially multiplied by two). So the only fair option would be to reset everything. |
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Posted - 2013.03.28 01:09:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Simple solution:
CCP honors the terms of the merc pack and gives the people who purchased the Merc Pack the items in the Merc Pack at "commercial release". This is an agreement between CCP and their paying customers. Whether it satisfies the "I don't want the people who paid to get the thing they purchased" crowd or not is really irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If you wanted a Merc Pack, you should have bought one, if you didn't, then what's the problem? And what problem do you have with giving up any boosted SP? CCP only said they wouldn't fully reset SP, not that they wouldn't take parts of it away. Quote:
We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic.
As long as they don't put you back at 0, they technically haven't lied.
Forcing them to refund AUR when they have no plans to could also very easily be considered "catastrophic", especially since AUR effects SP. So they could reset you to as low as zero and they still wouldn't have lied.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 01:15:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Simple solution:
CCP honors the terms of the merc pack and gives the people who purchased the Merc Pack the items in the Merc Pack at "commercial release". This is an agreement between CCP and their paying customers. Whether it satisfies the "I don't want the people who paid to get the thing they purchased" crowd or not is really irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If you wanted a Merc Pack, you should have bought one, if you didn't, then what's the problem? And what problem do you have with giving up any boosted SP? CCP only said they wouldn't fully reset SP, not that they wouldn't take parts of it away. Quote:
We currently have no plans to reset your characters' skill points to a state where they are equivalent to a newly created character, barring something catastrophic.
As long as they don't put you back at 0, they technically haven't lied. I don't have any problem giving back boosted SP if I get my booster back. I just don't see why it's necessary. Seems like a complicated way of fixing a simple problem, and one that the only purpose of is to say "nanny nanny boo boo" to paying customers. Furthermore, this issue STILL hasn't been officially clarified by CCP. Many people spent their stuff from the Merc Pack assuming that it would be refunded at launch. If CCP would communicate with the players about this it would really clear this up.
Here's why it's necessary:
Player A buys a merc pack and uses a passive booster and get x amount of SP because of it. Player B doesn't buy a merc pack and doesn't use a booster.
Player A is refunded his merc pack, keeps his SP and uses another booster to get another x amount of SP. This brings his total SP to that of Player B's + 2x.
Again, I don't really care, but if you want things to all be square then gained SP needs to be taken away as well. I'm not sure that is even possible, so a total reset seems more likely. This isn't the only reason, but it's the general idea. |
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Posted - 2013.03.28 01:31:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:I don't see why this is a problem. This lone of reasoning could be applied to ANY AUR purchase. The Merc Pack purchase included the use of all items during the beta and a refund of those items at commercial release. That's what we bought. If you think that product is unfair, take it up with CCP, not me.
It's a problem because you're turning a one time purchase essentially into an investment, and anyone who didn't "invest" in it is getting screwed over. Look, the merc pack was meant to give you one set of the said items/AUR for your account. You got those items. If you want them returned to you, then you should also have to return everything they provided for you (aka SP).
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