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Sanmatar Kelkoons
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Why should people who bought the merc pack have to choose which one of CCP's promises get kept to them?
One way they are put at a disadvantage to players who CCP didn't make the agreement with, greatly in excess of value of this AUR, the other they lose out on a purchase they made. Can you come up with a better solution? A solution that satisfies both sides.
Give everyone a refund of their AUR without a reset? It's essentially rewarding early adopters who paid attention to what they're getting.
The counter argument that this is "unfair" is just people who are upset for not snagging the deal while it lasted. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:13:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:Aurum amplifies sp and asset gains, it isn't 100%
So that's punishing people because ccp can't keep promises.
Like I said in the other thread, you logic is so bad.
Maybe if ccp could remove all BONUS SP and aur items bought that would be a viable approach. As well as the ability to buy the aur BPOs at the reduced cost (maybe make it a 1 week sale after the reset)
So? They paid upfront to help support development. Does it really matter if they get something as insignificant as 90 days worth of boosters back? Chances are they are going to be a long term customer and will simply buy more of other things instead. Or trade the extras away keeping the Froob competitive. There are people out there with millions of SP more than you. Why is it so important to you that they have to pay more real life cash to get the same effect? Because that's what's at stake here. How much $ spent, not how many boosters they inject. |
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Sanmatar Kelkoons
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:23:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:You guys didn't buy from CCP, you bought from Sony... who reserves the right to change their Terms of Service without telling you.
Or you could buy from Gamestop, I believe they have yet to fix the item's description.
Changing terms for new sales does not change terms of sales already made. |
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Sanmatar Kelkoons
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:29:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Commercially Released wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:You guys didn't buy from CCP, you bought from Sony... who reserves the right to change their Terms of Service without telling you.
Or you could buy from Gamestop, I believe they have yet to fix the item's description. Changing terms for new sales does not change terms of sales already made. They didn't change the term on the sale, they changed the terms on the product.
Not even close... |
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Sanmatar Kelkoons
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:32:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I approve.
The folks who want a refund but also want to keep everything they bought with it have more greed than logic.
Any refund would be contingent upon surrendering the product.
Who would consider asking for a refund on a car and demanding that they get to keep it?
I mean really? Who in their right mind thinks a business can operate this way?
So if someone wants to force a refund, let them. But then they return everything they purchased with that Aurum.
That means a wipe of all boosted SP and all BPO's and any reminding BPC's.
Greed huh? Who is the greedy one in truth? The person who wants all of what they paid for? Or the person who wants another person not to get what they paid for? It doesn't hurt you at all, this is entirely an issue between early adopters (and current gamestop customers) and CCP. At the end of the day there are plenty who can afford to buy more anyway. This is only about making a few people feel better because they had to pay more to do it.
Irony alert, people are promoting pay to win as a way to preserve fairness! |
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Sanmatar Kelkoons
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:38:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Commercially Released wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:You guys didn't buy from CCP, you bought from Sony... who reserves the right to change their Terms of Service without telling you.
Or you could buy from Gamestop, I believe they have yet to fix the item's description. Changing terms for new sales does not change terms of sales already made. They didn't change the term on the sale, they changed the terms on the product. It still doesn't change the terms of your product after the fact. Point in case: I bought an apple iPhone 4 on release and got a warranty with it. That warranty covered water damage. About 7 months later they changed the terms and removed water damage coverage. About a year later I dropped my phone in my horses water tub. Apple refused to replace my phone because they didn't cover water damage anymore. I sued them, and got a new iPhone 4 and court costs paid. Why? Because WHEN YOU BUY THE ITEM YOU AGREE TO THE TERMS. If the terms change, no matter how long after, the terms you agreed to at point of purchase remain the same. And trust me, apples legal department can run circles around CCPs. It's "case in point" and that's not the same thing as this. That was a warranty, not a product.
Legally speaking, a warranty is a type of product. |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:39:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Personally, I don't think it's worth fighting over. That being said, if you want a refund and are willing to accept a potential complete character/SP wipe (for everyone), then I have no reason to argue.
Question, if the community had a choice between a total reset for everyone and an AUR reset for everyone, why would they pick the total reset? How does CCP honoring their agreement hurt anyone? |
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:46:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Commercially Released wrote:
Legally speaking, a warranty is a type of product.
Poor wording on my part, forgot to include the rest of my point. The Warranty includes a clause that the terms may change and the consumer agrees to that. A separate agreement would be required for the product.
Usually a change that the customer finds unacceptable results in a refund and termination of the contract. Both sides have to agree to the change or the sale is reversed. |
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