DUST Search - heavy UP? Then please explain.

2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

If heavys are underpowered why do i see 50% of the players running around with a Type-II heavy and the MH-82 HMG? If alot of people use it like no tomorrow then it must be effective. The AR is a very good weapon so you see it every time and so you do with HMG and heavys. When something is that common then it cant be UP. And trust me if something is useless the community drops it instantly.
-Missiles nerfed= never seen again
-Breach assault rifle nerfed= never seen again
-Missiles nerf made dropships aswell dissappear

This game has a history. Means when something works good then most of the people will use it. If not it gets dropped instantly and never beeing seen on the battlefield again. Makes sense dont ya agree?

Lol thinks because lots of blueberries are mimicking means the suit is fine.

Great logic

As a top teir player, I can tell you it does not scale well after type 1 and the heavy will continue to become obsolete as the other classes SP goes up.

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The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1174	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:38:00 - [1] - Quote If heavys are underpowered why do i see 50% of the players running around with a Type-II heavy and the MH-82 HMG? If alot of people use it like no tomorrow then it must be effective. The AR is a very good weapon so you see it every time and so you do with HMG and heavys. When something is that common then it cant be UP. And trust me if something is useless the community drops it instantly. -Missiles nerfed= never seen again -Breach assault rifle nerfed= never seen again -Missiles nerf made dropships aswell dissappear This game has a history. Means when something works good then most of the people will use it. If not it gets dropped instantly and never beeing seen on the battlefield again. Makes sense dont ya agree?
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 453	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:41:00 - [2] - Quote You see that many Type-IIs with MH-82s because the higher tiers aren't worth using... Also, it's more like 60% is assaults, 20% is heavies, 10% is logis and 10% is scouts. At least that's what I see every match.
Elrick Mercer Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote IMO heavy does not need a buff.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 999	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:45:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: If heavys are underpowered why do i see 50% of the players running around with a Type-II heavy and the MH-82 HMG? If alot of people use it like no tomorrow then it must be effective. The AR is a very good weapon so you see it every time and so you do with HMG and heavys. When something is that common then it cant be UP. And trust me if something is useless the community drops it instantly. -Missiles nerfed= never seen again -Breach assault rifle nerfed= never seen again -Missiles nerf made dropships aswell dissappear This game has a history. Means when something works good then most of the people will use it. If not it gets dropped instantly and never beeing seen on the battlefield again. Makes sense dont ya agree? People like myself, still use it in the hopes of a buff. You think I want to be running around in a type 2 suit against Adv assault players? No, but the cost of B series + Adv HMG means I HAVE to stick to the cheap type 2. Yeah I can get a couple kills, and have some decent games, doesn't mean the class is great...talking about pub games btw. We all know the proto heavy sucks, and that right now is my main QQ. Adv. Heavy suit is basically the same as the proto suit and we're up against every other class using proto. In corp matches now. If I use Proto heavy, there is NO DIFFERENCE in my survivability or my ability to kill. There's no significant difference to warrant the 246k ISK asking price. Bottom line is in corp matches, it's Adv Heavy suits vs Proto everything else. That's a serious imbalance, and it's not fair considering it's a SP intensive class.
N1ck Comeau Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 171	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote I see a lot of assaults playing but i prefer the scout suit. Speed is sooooooooooooooo good
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 999	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:47:00 - [6] - Quote Elrick Mercer wrote: IMO heavy does not need a buff. ^ what a great compelling reason! I see all your points, and come to the conclusion you're brilliant!
PAs Capone The Tritan Industries 40	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:48:00 - [7] - Quote Most of the complaints regarding the Heavy are not applicable in Pub battles. Everyone knows its easy to blast berries that are new to the game. The problem is more with Heavies role in corp battles. This is where the problem lies. With these higher priority battles people will be using the their better gear. If a top tier Heavy is lacking vs. top tier everything else then Heavies will be less viable in the high priority matches. I for one believe that people are over reacting. It is a beta, although a very prolonged one, once the game gets more of its features is when we should learn what they truly do. It is hard to say a boat will float until its on the water.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 711	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:49:00 - [8] - Quote I've noticed that the Heavies fall considerably fast to an AR these days, but the lower tier Heavies are straight up OP for their cost. Type II Heavies are really mobile and become a Gat Damned shield tanked scout using an HMG. Lower tier gear needs to go down a bit but the Proto needs a buff and keep advanced where they're at, maybe a little buff.
MassiveNine Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 117	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:53:00 - [9] - Quote Burst is where it's at. There's nothing my six kin can't touch.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 1002	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:54:00 - [10] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've noticed that the Heavies fall considerably fast to an AR these days, but the lower tier Heavies are straight up OP for their cost. Type II Heavies are really mobile and become a Gat Damned shield tanked scout using an HMG. Lower tier gear needs to go down a bit but the Proto needs a buff and keep advanced where they're at, maybe a little buff. Type 2 is the same as Proto... just with 2 slots less. Everything other than CPU/PG is the same.

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 623	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:01:00 - [11] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've noticed that the Heavies fall considerably fast to an AR these days, but the lower tier Heavies are straight up OP for their cost. Type II Heavies are really mobile and become a Gat Damned shield tanked scout using an HMG. Lower tier gear needs to go down a bit but the Proto needs a buff and keep advanced where they're at, maybe a little buff. And what balance do you suggest then is 2:1 slots not enough? I mean, if we unflattened the suits then you could do something, but at the moment theres nothing to nerf. I also don't think they're OP people just aren't used to fighting them, I take them out with my enforcer fit all the time. Just throw a grenade and then shoot down their shields before the grenade goes boom.
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:36:00 - [12] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: If heavys are underpowered why do i see 50% of the players running around with a Type-II heavy and the MH-82 HMG? If alot of people use it like no tomorrow then it must be effective. The AR is a very good weapon so you see it every time and so you do with HMG and heavys. When something is that common then it cant be UP. And trust me if something is useless the community drops it instantly. -Missiles nerfed= never seen again -Breach assault rifle nerfed= never seen again -Missiles nerf made dropships aswell dissappear This game has a history. Means when something works good then most of the people will use it. If not it gets dropped instantly and never beeing seen on the battlefield again. Makes sense dont ya agree? Agreed. Heavy's and tanks have clear cut advantages during the early arms race to 5-6 million SP. Once players begin to reach the 5-6 million SP threshold heavy's begin to lose their advantages to infantry players and tanks begin to lose their advantages to AV players.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 451	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:41:00 - [13] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: If heavys are underpowered why do i see 50% of the players running around with a Type-II heavy and the MH-82 HMG? If alot of people use it like no tomorrow then it must be effective. The AR is a very good weapon so you see it every time and so you do with HMG and heavys. When something is that common then it cant be UP. And trust me if something is useless the community drops it instantly. -Missiles nerfed= never seen again -Breach assault rifle nerfed= never seen again -Missiles nerf made dropships aswell dissappear This game has a history. Means when something works good then most of the people will use it. If not it gets dropped instantly and never beeing seen on the battlefield again. Makes sense dont ya agree? 250 HM-82 as salvage and once those are gone then its delete heavy fits until another 250 HM-82 as salvage are in assets then hopefully I can sell them to eager idiots.......er I meant suckers!!!!......ehem I meant customers lol!!!!
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 63	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:48:00 - [14] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: You see that many Type-IIs with MH-82s because the higher tiers aren't worth using... Also, it's more like 60% is assaults, 20% is heavies, 10% is logis and 10% is scouts. At least that's what I see every match. Than open your eyes.... There are much more Heavies than anything in the game.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 454	Posted - 2013.03.27 00:50:00 - [15] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: You see that many Type-IIs with MH-82s because the higher tiers aren't worth using... Also, it's more like 60% is assaults, 20% is heavies, 10% is logis and 10% is scouts. At least that's what I see every match. Than open your eyes.... There are much more Heavies than anything in the game. I too always said for a suit that is under powered with a under powered FarWish HMG they sure do use it a lot. My eyes are wide open and I see about 60% assaults, as I said. I also said that's what I see. I have no idea what you see in your matches.
Exmaple Core Greatness Achieved Through Training 157	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:13:00 - [16] - Quote I dont think the heavys need any buffs or nerfs all seem fine to me but the costs are rediculas. Do i want 4 lives in my proto heavy or a full proto sagaris.... hmmmm. Pretty clear how that is a promblem.
Geth Massredux ZionTCD Legacy Rising 105	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:17:00 - [17] - Quote Seriously Heavy's are fine they way they are. Its just it depends on the player using the Heavy. A new play can easily get droped by these submachine players. Vet heavy players will drop 10 in a row before going down. Giving them a buff will just make us even more mad. They are already fat and strong. Why give them a buff.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 624	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:24:00 - [18] - Quote Geth Massredux wrote: Seriously Heavy's are fine they way they are. Its just it depends on the player using the Heavy. A new player can easily get droped by these submachine players. Vet heavy players will drop 10 in a row before going down. Giving them a buff will just make us even more unstoppable. They are already fat and strong. Why give them a buff. Some players complained about them being hard to kill. Now their easy to kill. STFU and HTFU It's barely more survivable and is guaranted to set you back atleast two matches for a full proto fit. 1 more complex shield extender? That doesn't mean squat when you can't move out of the way of the bullets.
2-Ton Twenty-One Imperfects Negative-Feedback 374	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:33:00 - [19] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: If heavys are underpowered why do i see 50% of the players running around with a Type-II heavy and the MH-82 HMG? If alot of people use it like no tomorrow then it must be effective. The AR is a very good weapon so you see it every time and so you do with HMG and heavys. When something is that common then it cant be UP. And trust me if something is useless the community drops it instantly. -Missiles nerfed= never seen again -Breach assault rifle nerfed= never seen again -Missiles nerf made dropships aswell dissappear This game has a history. Means when something works good then most of the people will use it. If not it gets dropped instantly and never beeing seen on the battlefield again. Makes sense dont ya agree? Lol thinks because lots of blueberries are mimicking means the suit is fine. Great logic As a top teir player, I can tell you it does not scale well after type 1 and the heavy will continue to become obsolete as the other classes SP goes up.
Exmaple Core Greatness Achieved Through Training 157	Posted - 2013.03.27 02:42:00 - [20] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: The dark cloud wrote: If heavys are underpowered why do i see 50% of the players running around with a Type-II heavy and the MH-82 HMG? If alot of people use it like no tomorrow then it must be effective. The AR is a very good weapon so you see it every time and so you do with HMG and heavys. When something is that common then it cant be UP. And trust me if something is useless the community drops it instantly. -Missiles nerfed= never seen again -Breach assault rifle nerfed= never seen again -Missiles nerf made dropships aswell dissappear This game has a history. Means when something works good then most of the people will use it. If not it gets dropped instantly and never beeing seen on the battlefield again. Makes sense dont ya agree? Lol thinks because lots of blueberries are mimicking means the suit is fine. Great logic As a top teir player, I can tell you it does not scale well after type 1 and the heavy will continue to become obsolete as the other classes SP goes up. Pretty much. its bad when an assult can have more sheilds and a comparable amount of armor than any heavy. They also have equipment slots and their faster and more manuverable. So all thats left for the heavy is an HMG, wich the AR beats at medium to long range. So... why do we play heavy for more than double the amount of isk than an assult player and spend more SP on skills than assults do on theirs?



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