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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:43:00 -
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A few places, like the Forge Gun description, I've seen the term "anti-material".
The correct term is "anti-materiel":
http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/material_materiel.htm
I'm not trying to be jerk, just pointing out something that should eventually get fixed. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
274
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Posted - 2013.03.26 16:07:00 -
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I didn't know this. |
GarryKE
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:10:00 -
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of all the silly things to complain about |
RoundEy3
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:24:00 -
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Both terms are accurate and common place in the mentioning of such weapons in their real world existence. Material is just as fitting as sometimes you're shooting through someone's house, or personal car for example. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:49:00 -
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RoundEy3 wrote:Both terms are accurate and common place in the mentioning of such weapons in their real world existence. Material is just as fitting as sometimes you're shooting through someone's house, or personal car for example.
I assume that you're cracking a joke, but for those who are unclear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-materiel_rifle
Anti-Materiel weapons are those intended for destroying vehicles, installations, etc. |
RoundEy3
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:52:00 -
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I know what wiki says, but try and buy one or talk to people that shoot them. Anti material, anti materiel it makes no difference.
Not trying to argue, just saying. |
Appia Vibbia
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:55:00 -
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Thank you very much. |
bacon blaster
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:40:00 -
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You, madam, are a professional grammar ****. I salute you! |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:49:00 -
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GarryKE wrote:of all the silly things to complain about
As a self proposed Grammar ****. I say this is no laughing matter. This must be righted, swiftly.
 lol
Though, they should fix it. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1793
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:04:00 -
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Defense
Defence
Organization
Organisation |
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Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:19:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Defense
Defence
Organization
Organisation
It's not a case of British English vs American... they're different words.
OP wasn't a jerk about it, simply pointed out the mistake (and the lack of urgency on a fix) and left it.
Why anyone felt the need to subsequently QQ about grammar police or try to, I don't even know, explain that soldiers don't care about the spelling so neither should a fictional copywriter... I don't understand.
EDIT: Unless the gun actually fires antimatter, in which case the word choice may be correct. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:22:00 -
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RoundEy3 wrote:And I'm entirely serious. Just because a gun is "meant" for military targets doesn't mean that's the only thing they are used on. "Real life application" is the key phrase here.
This is like saying that if you use an anti-aircraft gun to kill a pigeon, it's no longer an anti-aircraft gun. |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:23:00 -
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Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material. |
RoundEy3
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:37:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:RoundEy3 wrote:And I'm entirely serious. Just because a gun is "meant" for military targets doesn't mean that's the only thing they are used on. "Real life application" is the key phrase here. This is like saying that if you use an anti-aircraft gun to kill a pigeon, it's no longer an anti-aircraft gun.
No it's not. I'd make you a venn diagram if I thought it'd help clear up the dispute,... and RAWR more grammar flame! |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:40:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material.
Source? |
RoundEy3
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:43:00 -
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I love the "experts" that wiki and google produce. I'm sure if someone found a wiki page that says your d**k is a doorstop it would be the undisputable truth. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:44:00 -
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I'm trying to find "material" used in place of "materiel" on the Air Force Materiel Command's website... but they keep using the words in their correct places instead. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:45:00 -
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RoundEy3 wrote:I love the "experts" that wiki and google produce. I'm sure if someone found a wiki page that says your d**k is a doorstop it would be the undisputable truth.
Your source was "talk to the people who shoot them"... as if the difference can be determined in conversation... or the people wielding the weapons are the ones designing and naming them. |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
145
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:45:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material. Source?
Many people spelled it as anti-material so much for so long that it had to be accepted as a spelling alternative.
Fun fun! |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
495
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:48:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material. Source? Many people spelled it as anti-material so much for so long that it had to be accepted as a spelling alternative. Fun fun!
That's a totally valid source you've got there.
An anti-material rifle is designed to shoot holes in fabric. |
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Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
499
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Posted - 2013.03.26 20:50:00 -
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It uses armour piercing bullets specifically tailored (see what I did there?) to penetrate woollen sweaters. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
504
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:48:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material.
Strangely, they are two separate and distinct words which entered the English language at different times and via different routes.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/material (Middle English directly from Latin)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/materiel (Modern English from Napoleonic French)
A similar confusion would be the words "Madame" and "Madam":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Madame
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Madam
While a true "Madame" might have the grace to forgive an innocent dropping of the "e", a self-conscious woman would likely perseverate on the subtext- q.v. "Dame":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Dame
An interesting blend of connotations there as well, given that Dame Judi Dench is not just some dame. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
504
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:49:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:It uses armour piercing bullets specifically tailored (see what I did there?) to penetrate woollen sweaters.
Ouch! The puns, they burn!!  |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
499
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:57:00 -
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I see your references and raise you a "nope, I know a soldier who doesn't care how you spell it". |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
146
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:01:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material. Strangely, they are two separate and distinct words which entered the English language at different times and via different routes.
Material and materiel are separate words, but materiel is sometimes spelled material.
Mithridates VI wrote:
That's a totally valid source you've got there.
An anti-material rifle is designed to shoot holes in fabric.
Material includes anything use to produce something, which can include iron billets and wooden logs. It generally takes an anti-materiel rifle or stronger to punch through an iron billet or a thick wooden log. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
499
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:10:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material. Strangely, they are two separate and distinct words which entered the English language at different times and via different routes. Material and materiel are separate words, but materiel is sometimes incorrectly spelled material.
FTFY. |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
146
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:19:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Materiel can be spelled as material, they are both correct. I prefer materiel, but there is nothing wrong with material. Strangely, they are two separate and distinct words which entered the English language at different times and via different routes. Material and materiel are separate words, but materiel is sometimes spelled material. FTFY.
You can't just say it's incorrect because you don't agree with it. If you could, aluminium, defence and organisation would all be incorrect because I hate every last one of them. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
499
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:22:00 -
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You're doing the exact same thing with the opposing viewpoint.
I can't find any sources, except for an unsupported wiki comment, that agree with you. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1796
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Posted - 2013.03.27 04:24:00 -
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I don't really care. Not that many folks here care when we have important issues like lag, hit detection, vehicle balancing, graphics rendering, etc. to deal with first. Typos be damned. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
500
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Posted - 2013.03.27 07:14:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I don't really care. Not that many folks here care when we have important issues like lag, hit detection, vehicle balancing, graphics rendering, etc. to deal with first. Typos be damned.
Pretty sure things can be commented on without slowing the progress on hit detection etc.
If not, we might as well dismiss all threads relating to things which aren't the very most critical issue. |
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