Oh, just you wait till you have cloaked shotty scouts and then the toddlers on this board will throw a tantrum.

Given the amount of grief threads on here, I have come to the conclusion that all weapons are OP and we should only be given pillows to fight each other with.

Wait, nevermind... people will start saying that buckwheat pillows are OP then...

Have you ever run into SIR KNIGHT? every single game, 25-0 ambush.

It's not luck and not just skill.

I'm sorry, but until "ztimulated" is a word, there's no such thing as a "lazer rifle".

As for the actual point of the thread, Lasers (not "lazers") have a MINIMUM effective range. If you get close, they stop dealing significant damage. They're kind of like snipers, but without even the option of quick-scoping and praying.

Also, I've dropped 6 people in one clip with a Militia Shotgun on several occasions. I've seen HMG Heavies take down 7 or more players without reloading. ARs routinely go through more than 3 people between reloads. I've seen Snipers get a kill with each of their 5 shots. Lasers aren't unique in that respect in DUST. If you're good and/or have the right skills trained, and the enemy team let you play to your weapon's strengths, you can slaughter people fast.

Yes because cloaking never has any drawbacks in any game

Im not saying that they are going to be game breaking or even op. I am saying that there is going to be a massive kitten-fest about the good players who know how to use the cloaks wisely. The good shotty-scouts already know how to use the flanks to keep enemies raging. This will allow them to a better chance to get to those flanks.

Just imagine if using nova knives doesn't disable the cloak

Shotty flanking is ok but once you get the first kill you're probably dead or they enemies were in a close group

seriously man. Look at the resistance shields have against explosives compared to armour. Then look at the damage done to armour with a laser rifle when its supposed to be weak against it.

its a conspiracy I tells ya

Only laser problem is the armor damage

and yes ive checked and i cannot see any diffrence in dmg to shields or armor

Aim at a friendly (or a red's fine, but you should be focused on deading him) with shields up or who's down to armor. The efficiency rating is the damage modifier.

It's 120% on shields. 80% on armor. That's a 40% swing in damage, which I certainly notice when I'm using the Laser Rifle.

Gotta go by numbers when you're talking balance, people. Gut feelings are notoriously unreliable.

But the efficiencies are not telling the whole story. As I said in lowratehitmans thread, the damage ramp up means that by the time the shields are gone, the LR has reached full burn, at which point it is doing max damage to armor. So even though the effective damage rating is only 80%, the full burn effect makes it just as effective versus armor as shields.

I say this as an armor heavy who has seen what a full power Viziam does to 950 armor HP even with a body hit.

Sure, but in which case, your problem is with the damage rampup, not the armor damage modifier.

It may be a combination of both the ramp up and the efficiency. Maybe an 80% efficiency versus armor is too high, maybe the damage ramp needs to come down, maybe a little of both.

I am not a laser user, so I am not at all informed on actually using them, only being hit by them.

The only thing I am sure of is that I don't want them over nerfed. I hate seeing lasers, but I want them to still play a role in the game.

Anyway, +1 for solid, calm arguments!