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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:15:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:
seriously man. Look at the resistance shields have against explosives compared to armour. Then look at the damage done to armour with a laser rifle when its supposed to be weak against it.
its a conspiracy I tells ya
The laser does 120% damage to shields and 80% damage to armor. There are no problems here. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:14:00 -
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SGT Garrisson wrote: and yes ive checked and i cannot see any diffrence in dmg to shields or armor
Aim at a friendly (or a red's fine, but you should be focused on deading him) with shields up or who's down to armor. The efficiency rating is the damage modifier.
It's 120% on shields. 80% on armor. That's a 40% swing in damage, which I certainly notice when I'm using the Laser Rifle.
Gotta go by numbers when you're talking balance, people. Gut feelings are notoriously unreliable.
ED: For the record's sake, if you feel like your laser is doing more or as much damage to armor as it does to shields, it's likely because you've had a bead on your target for several seconds, and now that your laser is heated up it's doing more damage. (Which coincides with hitting the armor layer.)
On another note, if that's the reason your laser feels powerful VS armor, you're lasing wrong. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:24:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:But the efficiencies are not telling the whole story. As I said in lowratehitmans thread, the damage ramp up means that by the time the shields are gone, the LR has reached full burn, at which point it is doing max damage to armor. So even though the effective damage rating is only 80%, the full burn effect makes it just as effective versus armor as shields.
I say this as an armor heavy who has seen what a full power Viziam does to 950 armor HP even with a body hit.
Sure, but in which case, your problem is with the damage rampup, not the armor damage modifier.
80% of 100 or 80% of 1000 is still 80%. And the good laser rifle users are pre-heating the rifle so it does close to maximum damage before they even set the beam on you. Your armor is dropping in 1.25 seconds instead of one second, with the armor reduction. |
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:41:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:
It may be a combination of both the ramp up and the efficiency. Maybe an 80% efficiency versus armor is too high, maybe the damage ramp needs to come down, maybe a little of both.
Fair point. You know, Mass Driver does 70% to shields and 130% to armor, I wonder if it would be better if the laser were a sort of reverse Mass Driver.
It'd be even more sadistic punishment to people running all-shield-extender fits. 
Quote:I am not a laser user, so I am not at all informed on actually using them, only being hit by them.
The only thing I am sure of is that I don't want them over nerfed. I hate seeing lasers, but I want them to still play a role in the game.
Agreed. I hate seeing things nerfed into uselessness when all they needed was a tweak. That's why I try to inject relevant numbers into heated nerf threadnaughts whenever possibleGǪ
Anyway, +1 for solid, calm arguments! |
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