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Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:48:00 -
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When Im 6 feet away and a guy is trying to climb a ladder right in front of me..im hitting the wall and hes getting the full on brunt of every shot possible.. TAKES 4 SHOTS to kill him REALLY? How is that in any way area denial?
The nerf on Mass Driver is same as any game.. All the nabs chose to level their assault rifles and and since theres no milita version of Mass Driver it never crossed their mind..and then they cry noob toob crap because someone with skills besides an AR actually can kill them.. Well I took a chance on something and went MD from the beginning of closed beta..This is the thanks I get..
Got news for ya.. its not ez to use the MD.. and if you dont have just the right shot you wont kill anything.. Rollback the nerf.. this is stupid.. people in ALL shooters will cry about grenade launchers.. In this game.. it actualy takes alot of skill to be consistent with this weapon.. And it only shoots 6 FFS.. Its supposed to be area denial.. now its Area Annoyance at best...
WEAK.. boooty
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mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:52:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:When Im 6 feet away and a guy is trying to climb a ladder right in front of me..im hitting the wall and hes getting the full on brunt of every shot possible.. TAKES 4 SHOTS to kill him REALLY? How is that in any way area denial?
The nerf on Mass Driver is same as any game.. All the nabs chose to level their assault rifles and and since theres no milita version of Mass Driver it never crossed their mind..and then they cry noob toob crap because someone with skills besides an AR actually can kill them.. Well I took a chance on something and went MD from the beginning of closed beta..This is the thanks I get..
Got news for ya.. its not ez to use the MD.. and if you dont have just the right shot you wont kill anything.. Rollback the nerf.. this is stupid.. people in ALL shooters will cry about grenade launchers.. In this game.. it actualy takes alot of skill to be consistent with this weapon.. And it only shoots 6 FFS.. Its supposed to be area denial.. now its Area Annoyance at best...
WEAK.. boooty
I may have missed something, but there hasn't been anything done to MD recently. And the last time it WAS touched, it was BUFFED. Bigger splash radius and given 2 more rounds per drum/mag. |
Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:53:00 -
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I think they just did something.. if not.. more damage buffs plz.. lol |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:56:00 -
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MD's fine right now, if they buff it again people will scream nerf and they'll end up in a worse state |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:58:00 -
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Even before it was last touched it was fine, it didn't need more than 5 rounds. Also if the guy had fulk shields it's working as intended |
Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:59:00 -
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no its not fine.. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:00:00 -
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It was fine when the standard only had 4 rounds a magazine |
Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:02:00 -
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obviously your not MD.. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:10:00 -
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If you fire five rounds into five clustered people it averages out to one-shotting them. Y'know, in case that helps. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:12:00 -
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Actually I only used it before it got buffed, raised my war point intake and kills because of the explosive rounds, it's working as intended |
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:22:00 -
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That being said I'd think a perfect balance would be to remove one round, remove either the aim turning effect or smoke but not both in exchange for high velocity and lower drop to allow them to not be useless in vertical combat |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:43:00 -
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Have you tried various levels? I know for a fact that Exo woops standards' ass (even though I use standard almost always). The skill to increase blast radius is there for a reason. |
bbbbiiiillllllll
Valor Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:04:00 -
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The MD hasn't been messed with people are just getting higher level stuff....
People are getting prototype level shields now so when they get there prototype level don't expect your standard or even advanced level gear to kill them the same way.
I MD and that doesn't seem fair even for me just get the skill to level 5 and use the freedom and if your still struggling get proficiency.  |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University
Ivy League
156
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:13:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:no its not fine..
It is fine, and yes I use the MD I am L5 in it. |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:14:00 -
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4 shots sounds about right for someone shield tanked. A lot of Assaults are up in the 600 total HP range, and with the MD being less efficient against shields, it'll take at least 4 shots to take one down with a standard MD.
As a way to deal with it, learn to use flux grenades, and/or have a friend run a laser. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:16:00 -
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It's not a nerf people are all using high end gear now, upgrade your mass driver noob |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:18:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:I think they just did something.. if not.. more damage buffs plz.. lol
They didn't do anything, did you forget his is an mmo? |
IR Scifi
Regime Of Shadow Marines
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Posted - 2013.03.25 01:09:00 -
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The only thing that seems off about the mass driver is it doesn't always seem to explode correctly. It's a hell of a lot better than it was though. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
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Posted - 2013.03.25 01:17:00 -
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the Mass Driver is ment to really be taken against big targets, meaning a group of people, or an LAV or something like that.
its a very good weapon, as long as you realize that you're mor going for damage to more than one person, or trying to keep people from crossing a hold. its meant to be more something to chase people away with.
it does take skill to mortar someone with such a weapon, but its useful when you can |
Booby Tuesdays
THE DOLLARS
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Posted - 2013.03.25 02:06:00 -
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The first time I 'sploded someone way up on the catwalk in the tower outside Skim Junction, I realized I had not wasted time in putting all my weapon SP's in MD operation. Love the darn thing.  |
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Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
5
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:00:00 -
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well im sure they stealth nerfed it as they did alot of other stuff.. And you cant teach me anything about this weapon.. im upgraded use, weaponry, proficiency etc.. I rock a freedom when i can afford it..
You keep saying working as intended..well if its intended for a grenade launcher to have to be dead on accurate and place not 1 but at least 4 shots exactly at someones feet.. then they intended WRONG ..
any of you "old school" md users that think you can beat me step up .. I am the MASS DRIVER.. and if I say its nerfed its nerfed.. lol |
Galthur
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:13:00 -
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I don't even use the Mass Driver and I know they problem,
the Mass Drivers ARE broken at the moment in the way that they explode on a 2D plain (why you couldn't kill the guy)
CCP has stated that they WILL fix this so that MD's do a spherical explosion |
Israckcatarac
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:26:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:When Im 6 feet away and a guy is trying to climb a ladder right in front of me..im hitting the wall and hes getting the full on brunt of every shot possible.. TAKES 4 SHOTS to kill him REALLY? How is that in any way area denial?
The nerf on Mass Driver is same as any game.. All the nabs chose to level their assault rifles and and since theres no milita version of Mass Driver it never crossed their mind..and then they cry noob toob crap because someone with skills besides an AR actually can kill them.. Well I took a chance on something and went MD from the beginning of closed beta..This is the thanks I get..
Got news for ya.. its not ez to use the MD.. and if you dont have just the right shot you wont kill anything.. Rollback the nerf.. this is stupid.. people in ALL shooters will cry about grenade launchers.. In this game.. it actualy takes alot of skill to be consistent with this weapon.. And it only shoots 6 FFS.. Its supposed to be area denial.. now its Area Annoyance at best...
WEAK.. boooty
Are you level 5 in MD with at least 3 point's in to spec or do you have 3 point's in it and are expecting magic? |
Joortiz Jayden
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:35:00 -
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I love the mass driver. It does take skill to use especially for long range kills. I dnt think they stealth nerfed it as it is still wonderful as the first day i used it back in Nov. But it def instills fear in people i saved a squad mate from two heavies with it. I shot two rounds at them and they went running. It was great. |
MASS DR1V3R
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:42:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:well im sure they stealth nerfed it as they did alot of other stuff.. And you cant teach me anything about this weapon.. im upgraded use, weaponry, proficiency etc.. I rock a freedom when i can afford it..
You keep saying working as intended..well if its intended for a grenade launcher to have to be dead on accurate and place not 1 but at least 4 shots exactly at someones feet.. then they intended WRONG ..
any of you "old school" md users that think you can beat me step up .. I am the MASS DRIVER.. and if I say its nerfed its nerfed.. lol
The didn't nerf the md. That being said, I would always enjoy a buff. And btw, I am MASS DR1V3R obv. 
And people need to stop crying about the md having 6 rounds. Saying that it needs only 5 is freaking ridiculous. It already takes 4 seconds to reload. Get over it. |
Joortiz Jayden
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:17:00 -
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The didn't nerf the md. That being said, I would always enjoy a buff. And btw, I am MASS DR1V3R obv.
And people need to stop crying about the md having 6 rounds. Saying that it needs only 5 is freaking ridiculous. It already takes 4 seconds to reload. Get over it. [/quote]
AMEN |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:45:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:It was fine when the standard only had 4 rounds a magazine
It's fine now, 4 round clips were bullshit because that was enough to only kill 1 person, while the other weapons can kill at least 2 per clip. |
Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:03:00 -
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MASS DR1V3R wrote:Smoky The Bear wrote:well im sure they stealth nerfed it as they did alot of other stuff.. And you cant teach me anything about this weapon.. im upgraded use, weaponry, proficiency etc.. I rock a freedom when i can afford it..
You keep saying working as intended..well if its intended for a grenade launcher to have to be dead on accurate and place not 1 but at least 4 shots exactly at someones feet.. then they intended WRONG ..
any of you "old school" md users that think you can beat me step up .. I am the MASS DRIVER.. and if I say its nerfed its nerfed.. lol The didn't nerf the md. That being said, I would always enjoy a buff. And btw, I am MASS DR1V3R obv. And people need to stop crying about the md having 6 rounds. Saying that it needs only 5 is freaking ridiculous. It already takes 4 seconds to reload. Get over it.
lol
umm I literally play this game like 8 hours a day from closed beta till now using exclusively the MD..(when absolutely nobody else was) I think I can say with some confidence that no one is more qualified to judge whether they slipped in a stealth nerf than I am.. I noticed it immediately from one day to the next after the shutdown/update.. And it was significant enough for me to come post about it..
If they ever post their nerf log, ill bet youll find out the same week I posted this.. there was a change to the MD..
and yes I'f fully full in all aspects MD.. so stop trying to poke holes..
bottom line it doesnt do enough damage in comparison to the other weapons.. and when you sell it as a slow loading small clip area denial tool this MAKES NO SENSE.. im out
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Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:04:00 -
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I think the MD's are fine as they are and I use them almost exclusivley now (the only times I dont are on builds without nanohives.) I have recently been using a cheap fit with a standard MD and coupled with flux nades I dont have problems with most proto's except occasionally scouts who can sometimes jump above my explosions it seems lol.
And about it not having enough damage for area denial I have found that even if it only does a small amount of damage to say a shield tanked assault 9/10 they wont run into the open or will retreat so you may not be killing with every shot but you are denying them the opportunity to advance and the amount of assists I get with it are a nice bonus. I also use mine + flux as a good anti-lav fit and scare the living daylights out of tanker fits. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
335
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:14:00 -
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I use the assault MD.... that scares people lol |
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slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:37:00 -
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It really does seem to be more of a defensive team based weapon, denying the advancement of enemies by its mere shock and awe factor. It's also good for shooting over cover, which I have learned the hard way more than once. Even so, i've seen videos of the MD and it doesn't seem to have the damage and explosion radius a grenade launcher should have. |
Jathniel
G I A N T
119
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:22:00 -
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The mass driver is working VERY well, OP. 
Throw flux grenades out first, then follow up with MD rounds, and see the difference. You just need to be more accurate, and not stick your head out, otherwise the ARs will rip it off. |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
164
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:24:00 -
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MDs are fine, their crap against shields though. Remember that. |
Coleman Gray
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
140
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:25:00 -
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This is essentially how the majority of Dust players think, AR's are not broke, everything else is OP. Basically people ***** and moan about everything in droves to get things nerfed and they defend AR's to the end. Basically their working to get everything but AR's nerfed. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:32:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:This is essentially how the majority of Dust players think, AR's are not broke, everything else is OP. Basically people ***** and moan about everything in droves to get things nerfed and they defend AR's to the end. Basically their working to get everything but AR's nerfed.
Wow, really? I mean, I don't think AR's should be nerfed, I love them, but to nerf everyhing else? I mean come on, their good enough as they are. If anything, everything else should get a buff, but I think balancing is ok right now. |
Jathniel
G I A N T
120
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:13:00 -
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Also, OP. Damage mods on a MD go a long way.
Damage mods work great on everything.... except ARs and LRs. (in which case they're OP) Go figure. xD |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
1112
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Posted - 2013.03.28 21:21:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:If you fire five rounds into five clustered people it averages out to one-shotting them. Y'know, in case that helps.
If five people stand around in a knot while five MD rounds land at their feet it's called a mercy killing. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
Red Rock Consortium
452
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Posted - 2013.03.28 21:35:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:umm I literally play this game like 8 hours a day from closed beta till now using exclusively the MD..(when absolutely nobody else was) I think I can say with some confidence that no one is more qualified to judge whether they slipped in a stealth nerf than I am.. I noticed it immediately from one day to the next after the shutdown/update.. And it was significant enough for me to come post about it.
First, in a game where there are hundreds of thousands of players do you really think you were the first and initially the only person to use them?
A buddy and myself both felt there was an overnight change to the MD a little while back. I remember it because we both started talking about it at the same time and interrupted each other. It wasn't major and it didn't ruin the weapon. It just felt like something was tweaked and toned down a bit. I use the MD on the majority of my fittings so I don't feel that it's a substandard weapon.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
134
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Posted - 2013.03.29 15:15:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:When Im 6 feet away and a guy is trying to climb a ladder right in front of me..im hitting the wall and hes getting the full on brunt of every shot possible.. TAKES 4 SHOTS to kill him REALLY? How is that in any way area denial?
The nerf on Mass Driver is same as any game.. All the nabs chose to level their assault rifles and and since theres no milita version of Mass Driver it never crossed their mind..and then they cry noob toob crap because someone with skills besides an AR actually can kill them.. Well I took a chance on something and went MD from the beginning of closed beta..This is the thanks I get..
Got news for ya.. its not ez to use the MD.. and if you dont have just the right shot you wont kill anything.. Rollback the nerf.. this is stupid.. people in ALL shooters will cry about grenade launchers.. In this game.. it actualy takes alot of skill to be consistent with this weapon.. And it only shoots 6 FFS.. Its supposed to be area denial.. now its Area Annoyance at best...
WEAK.. boooty
LOL. It IS an area denial weapon. Not a weapon for shooting solo guys hanging on ladders. What you are asking for is your personal automatic bazooka. Sorry MD does not work like that. It is a weapon that is used to disperse coherent squads of red dots to make it easier for your team to finish them off. It is not a slayer type of weapon for you to be running around and buffing your KDR with. It works great in team based matches where it does an excellent job repelling and pushing back organized enemy groups. Yes, it does not earn you many kills and it's not good in 1 vs 1 combat but this is not what it is for. Let's not dumb this game down to COD mechanics where everything is engineered for lazy ADHD kids who want flashy toys that make them ubah leet. |
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