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DS 10
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.20 16:59:00 -
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If you don't know about this guy, here is his most recent video about Dust. He has another one titled Is This Free Game Worth It? where he bashes Dust with ridiculous claims.
http://youtu.be/aHW1zhER1jE
Here is my response to said video. If you'd like to see my original response, it is titled Response to the Worst Dust Review Ever.
http://youtu.be/idfH8XvgxB0
If you agree or disagree with either of our points, feel free to comment! Subscribe if you're interested in more videos! |
DS 10
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.20 17:27:00 -
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For those who don't know about this whole "beef" at all, I'll put the 4 videos in order for you so you can kinda follow along better!
His initial Dust 514 Hate video - http://youtu.be/24c6r0sVFOo
My response to his first video - http://youtu.be/vuOXS3sboB0
His second video bashing Dust and its community - http://youtu.be/aHW1zhER1jE
My response to his second video - http://youtu.be/idfH8XvgxB0
I hope this helps! |
General John Ripper
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.20 17:49:00 -
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He is an Yngwie Malmsteen fan... cool.
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DS 10
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.20 17:50:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:He is an Yngwie Malmsteen fan... cool.
What the hell is that? |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.03.20 17:53:00 -
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LoL... what a waste of time on both parties. |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.20 17:56:00 -
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Your response was even more childish than his.
Do I agree with everything he said? No, but he does have some valid points.
I will say this:
Anyone who thinks Dust is great is lying to themselves, or smoking that CCP pole.
Dust has lots of problems. Bad matchmaking, wonky spawns(yes, it still does happen, even with the new horde spawns), and poor documentation amongst them.
Further, the claim that someone has an anti-dust agenda is just ********. You think his goal is to bring down Dust, as opposed to just not liking it.
Also, using his dislike stats as a metric is not remotely viable. You hit the forums and asked for people to go and dislike his vid, and bomb him with comments, and then you point out that he has dislikes? Come on now.
Lastly, in spite of his mention of numerous other franchises he said he enjoyed, you do nothing but reference CoD.
So no, even though I don't agree with his method of presenting his argument, I can see why he would do it in such a manner. If I had posted a critique of a game and then had to deal with rabid fanboys, I would be pissed too.
His video is better than yours. |
General John Ripper
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:06:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:General John Ripper wrote:He is an Yngwie Malmsteen fan... cool.
What the hell is that?
The intro music to his second video is a song by YngWie Malmsteen. I believe he played Baroque and Roll. |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:06:00 -
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Ha ha he, right on man. I'd agree you were both just slugging it out at the same level, but at least you were down to earth, clear, and to the point without having to repeat yourself. Couldn't even finish his videos before I realized I was wasting my time. X)
Cheers bruddah mang,
<3 Punk |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
84
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:08:00 -
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Its funny how hes annoying everyone.
Its not so funny that he has to say kitten every couple of seconds.
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Vin Vicious
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:14:00 -
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who cares? the guy has no credibility and after watching all 15 minutes of that, i've concluded he cant complete a sentence verbally without mentioning mutafuckin.
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Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:24:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:who cares? the guy has no credibility and after watching all 15 minutes of that, i've concluded he cant complete a sentence verbally without mentioning mutafuckin.
Another poor soul with a case of Tourette syndrome. I hope they find a cure for him someday. |
DS 10
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:25:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Your response was even more childish than his.
Do I agree with everything he said? No, but he does have some valid points.
I will say this:
Anyone who thinks Dust is great is lying to themselves, or smoking that CCP pole.
Dust has lots of problems. Bad matchmaking, wonky spawns(yes, it still does happen, even with the new horde spawns), and poor documentation amongst them.
Further, the claim that someone has an anti-dust agenda is just ********. You think his goal is to bring down Dust, as opposed to just not liking it.
Also, using his dislike stats as a metric is not remotely viable. You hit the forums and asked for people to go and dislike his vid, and bomb him with comments, and then you point out that he has dislikes? Come on now.
Lastly, in spite of his mention of numerous other franchises he said he enjoyed, you do nothing but reference CoD.
So no, even though I don't agree with his method of presenting his argument, I can see why he would do it in such a manner. If I had posted a critique of a game and then had to deal with rabid fanboys, I would be pissed too.
His video is better than yours.
I never once asked anyone to go and dislike his videos. I actually saw the original hate video posted on Twitter and Reddit. My entire point with the dislike stats is that he was bragging in his new video about how his video was a success because it got 1,000 views.
As I've stated before, the only reason I use Call of Duty as a reference is because in his original video, that's what he uses. I talk about how he uses Call of Duty as a template of what good FPSs should be and that's what's wrong with him.
Have a good day, kid.
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Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:29:00 -
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Don't get me wrong. I love this game. But he's completely right.
The only reason I love this game is the concept and the skill progression... having said that however..
the spawns are broken, the terrain, the movement, the hit detection, the bouncing into/off of walls, taking dmg when falling 2 feet, vehical movement, vehicals exploding when coliding at 2 feet per second. Climbing up/down cliffs, getting stuck on tiny rocks. Menu's taking forever to load, I can't even open up the score screen to peak at scores without killing myself cause it takes ages to load. ALL broken, broken broken totally broken. Basically any and all of the fundamental fps mechanics are all broken, its only the skill system and the long term potential that gives this game any hope. I would never tell any of my fps friends to try this game because I want them to wait and try it if/when its all fixed as they might never come back if they where to try it now...
There's no point in lying about it or pretending this isnt true. The game mechanics are crap. Lets try to improve them and make them better in the long run but closing our eyes and screaming "no they aint" doesn't help in the least.
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Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:36:00 -
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I'm getting tired of your videos. Didn't bother to watch yours all the way through, so sorry if I miss some point you were ultimately trying to make. I'll repeat a few of my points from last time. (never went back to read the responses to my last post against you, so don't assume I read those.)
Making personal attacks against him just promotes the fact that you are an ultimate fanboy raging about someone having a bad review against your favorite game, and therefore demotes your credibility as a critic.
Saying he had an anti-Dust agenda made me laugh. Making conspiracy theories just demotes your credibility even more.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, you'd be a lot more justified about suspecting a conspiracy if you were Benjamin, considering you did conspire against him by linking his video on this forum, where everyone that is left playing this game is a Dust fanboy, I mean, God forbid someone has a different opinion from you, right?
Didn't get very far in your video, but I'm sure you berated him again for saying Aura and five-fourteen. Just stop.
Missing a few of my points form last time, but I think this is enough. |
DS 10
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:37:00 -
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Oh, I agree this game is far from perfect. There are multiple things I'd love to see improved, and I hope they will be worked on for the next build. With that being said, the game is still a beta and you should expect bugs here and there. It sucks, but it's true. The game is nowhere near as bad as he says though. It has a steep skill curve that not everyone can handle. |
Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:38:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I'm getting tired of your videos. Didn't bother to watch yours all the way through, so sorry if I miss some point you were ultimately trying to make. I'll repeat a few of my points from last time. (never went back to read the responses to my last post against you, so don't assume I read those.)
Making personal attacks against him just promotes the fact that you are an ultimate fanboy raging about someone having a bad review against your favorite game, and therefore demotes your credibility as a critic.
Saying he had an anti-Dust agenda made me laugh. Making conspiracy theories just demotes your credibility even more.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, you'd be a lot more justified about suspecting a conspiracy if you were Benjamin, considering you did conspire against him by linking his video on this forum, where everyone that is left playing this game is a Dust fanboy, I mean, God forbid someone has a different opinion from you, right?
Didn't get very far in your video, but I'm sure you berated him again for saying Aura and five-fourteen. Just stop.
Missing a few of my points form last time, but I think this is enough.
Also agree with this. If you want to have any credit you need to counter his points not attack him as a person. |
DS 10
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:42:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I'm getting tired of your videos. Didn't bother to watch yours all the way through, so sorry if I miss some point you were ultimately trying to make. I'll repeat a few of my points from last time. (never went back to read the responses to my last post against you, so don't assume I read those.)
Making personal attacks against him just promotes the fact that you are an ultimate fanboy raging about someone having a bad review against your favorite game, and therefore demotes your credibility as a critic.
Saying he had an anti-Dust agenda made me laugh. Making conspiracy theories just demotes your credibility even more.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, you'd be a lot more justified about suspecting a conspiracy if you were Benjamin, considering you did conspire against him by linking his video on this forum, where everyone that is left playing this game is a Dust fanboy, I mean, God forbid someone has a different opinion from you, right?
Didn't get very far in your video, but I'm sure you berated him again for saying Aura and five-fourteen. Just stop.
Missing a few of my points form last time, but I think this is enough.
My statements in the video were brought on by what he said about the community and other jabs he threw in his video towards me. The fact is, he didn't have to make a new Dust video, but he did just to get views. Look at his last 30 videos and tell me which videos besides the Dust ones had a decent amount of views. He likes the extra attention. I get that.
The funny thing is me and Benjamin tweet back and forth a fair amount and he's the one that told me I should add my video as a response to his. It's only fair that I link his video in mine if mine is on his page, right?
The opinions of his were not what I have argued. It's the blatant misinformation and bashes of the community that I have an issue with. |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:48:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:
I never once asked anyone to go and dislike his videos. I actually saw the original hate video posted on Twitter and Reddit. My entire point with the dislike stats is that he was bragging in his new video about how his video was a success because it got 1,000 views.
As I've stated before, the only reason I use Call of Duty as a reference is because in his original video, that's what he uses. I talk about how he uses Call of Duty as a template of what good FPSs should be and that's what's wrong with him.
Have a good day, kid.
Kid? You high bro? You don't know me, and I am fairly certain you would not be able to provide a reasonable estimate of my age, mostly because you are the type of person to use homophobic insults on someone who doesn't agree with you.
You're right, you didn't ask for people to go and dislike his video. I thought that it was in the OP of the previous thread, my apologies.
Beyond that, of course his video would get massive dislikes from the people on CCP's junk. What else are they going to do, not like we have new maps to play on right?
Ultimately, he made an angry video where he comes across as someone who really hates dust. He lists his reasons, some valid, some less so. Your response is to call him names and tell him he sucks.
In what way is that a rebuttal? All it is is two children yelling at each other.
Heck, even your attempt to discuss how the game is not P2W is wrong. Whats funny about it is that the hater doesn't even know about the actual P2W items in the market place. If he did he would have probably raged harder.
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DS 10
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:54:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:DS 10 wrote:
I never once asked anyone to go and dislike his videos. I actually saw the original hate video posted on Twitter and Reddit. My entire point with the dislike stats is that he was bragging in his new video about how his video was a success because it got 1,000 views.
As I've stated before, the only reason I use Call of Duty as a reference is because in his original video, that's what he uses. I talk about how he uses Call of Duty as a template of what good FPSs should be and that's what's wrong with him.
Have a good day, kid.
Kid? You high bro? You don't know me, and I am fairly certain you would not be able to provide a reasonable estimate of my age, mostly because you are the type of person to use homophobic insults on someone who doesn't agree with you. You're right, you didn't ask for people to go and dislike his video. I thought that it was in the OP of the previous thread, my apologies. Beyond that, of course his video would get massive dislikes from the people on CCP's junk. What else are they going to do, not like we have new maps to play on right? Ultimately, he made an angry video where he comes across as someone who really hates dust. He lists his reasons, some valid, some less so. Your response is to call him names and tell him he sucks. In what way is that a rebuttal? All it is is two children yelling at each other. Heck, even your attempt to discuss how the game is not P2W is wrong. Whats funny about it is that the hater doesn't even know about the actual P2W items in the market place. If he did he would have probably raged harder.
I call everyone kid. My bad.
His newest hate video pretty much had the same topics besides the bit about the Dust fanboys. That's why I didn't go into detail again. I had already discussed all of that.
And yeah, my P2W explanation was a little vague. The items you get with Aurum are just advanced versions of what you can't get yet, so theoretically, if you put in the time, you can get mostly equal items. That's why I said people who buy games early basically have the same advantage.
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ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:06:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:Don't get me wrong. I love this game. But he's completely right.
The only reason I love this game is the concept and the skill progression... having said that however..
the spawns are broken, the terrain, the movement, the hit detection, the bouncing into/off of walls, taking dmg when falling 2 feet, vehical movement, vehicals exploding when coliding at 2 feet per second. Climbing up/down cliffs, getting stuck on tiny rocks. Menu's taking forever to load, I can't even open up the score screen to peak at scores without killing myself cause it takes ages to load. ALL broken, broken broken totally broken. Basically any and all of the fundamental fps mechanics are all broken, its only the skill system and the long term potential that gives this game any hope. I would never tell any of my fps friends to try this game because I want them to wait and try it if/when its all fixed as they might never come back if they where to try it now...
There's no point in lying about it or pretending this isnt true. The game mechanics are crap. Lets try to improve them and make them better in the long run but closing our eyes and screaming "no they aint" doesn't help in the least.
^ this ^ |
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:22:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:
I call everyone kid. My bad.
His newest hate video pretty much had the same topics besides the bit about the Dust fanboys. That's why I didn't go into detail again. I had already discussed all of that.
And yeah, my P2W explanation was a little vague. The items you get with Aurum are just advanced versions of what you can't get yet, so theoretically, if you put in the time, you can get mostly equal items. That's why I said people who buy games early basically have the same advantage.
I agree with some of the things that guy said, but the way he presented it was confrontational, and immature. Unfortunately so was yours. So it is pretty hard to take either video seriously.
I do want to make a point though about the P2W stuff. Most of the items are exactly as you say, that they save you time, and time only. However, there are also a select few items that are available with Aurum only, that have better stats than their ISK counter parts. That is called selling supremacy goods, and it is absolutely P2W.
I don't really have a problem with it, but people who get so upset about people referring to P2 need ot be aware of the fact that there are actually a couple of items like that.
I mean, I would have given your video a like if you hadn't called him a knob gobbler etc, just because I don't like the way his argument was presented. There is no need to resort to personal attacks, especially over a video game.
I am of the opinion that if you are ready to scream at someone, anyone, over a video game, you just need to put the controller down and go find a nice female(or male) to keep you company in the real world. P2W if you have to, but get some stress out.
That last paragraph is not directed at you, but rather any person who reaches the rage boiling point. Because, really, the guy in the hate video needs to go and smoke some green and rail a few ladies. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:27:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:DS 10 wrote:
I call everyone kid. My bad.
His newest hate video pretty much had the same topics besides the bit about the Dust fanboys. That's why I didn't go into detail again. I had already discussed all of that.
And yeah, my P2W explanation was a little vague. The items you get with Aurum are just advanced versions of what you can't get yet, so theoretically, if you put in the time, you can get mostly equal items. That's why I said people who buy games early basically have the same advantage.
I agree with some of the things that guy said, but the way he presented it was confrontational, and immature. Unfortunately so was yours. So it is pretty hard to take either video seriously. I do want to make a point though about the P2W stuff. Most of the items are exactly as you say, that they save you time, and time only. However, there are also a select few items that are available with Aurum only, that have better stats than their ISK counter parts. That is called selling supremacy goods, and it is absolutely P2W. I don't really have a problem with it, but people who get so upset about people referring to P2 need ot be aware of the fact that there are actually a couple of items like that. I mean, I would have given your video a like if you hadn't called him a knob gobbler etc, just because I don't like the way his argument was presented. There is no need to resort to personal attacks, especially over a video game. I am of the opinion that if you are ready to scream at someone, anyone, over a video game, you just need to put the controller down and go find a nice female(or male) to keep you company in the real world. P2W if you have to, but get some stress out. That last paragraph is not directed at you, but rather any person who reaches the rage boiling point. Because, really, the guy in the hate video needs to go and smoke some green and rail a few ladies.
+1
totally agree, also, alcohol helps too
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martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:30:00 -
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I was hoping to see a reply of yours answering Benjamin last comment in is second video. Didn't happen. Too bad. It just made me feel you wanted to rise by pushing on someone else head.
He is overreacting on is comments I agree, but most are true as many have said.
I think you should try to make a review about dust, I would love to see what you have to say objectively, without the Motherfuckin and all.
By the way, it as been 2-3 weeks that I have been thinking to turn the page on dust, only the potential is keeping me here...for sure it isn't the gameplay. If CCP screw up the next built, I am out and I think I wont be the only one.
Looking at the response in the last topic you did about this, I never thought you would make a second response...
Take care.
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Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:37:00 -
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The guy is upsesed with with droping f bombs EVERY OTHER WORD!!! and sometimes not even that, but dust is WAY better then COD were he who shoots first normally wins, and every game has its hackers so no Idea why he is getting on dust case about that. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2013.03.20 20:43:00 -
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The "F" bomb?....
And the rest; seriously, can't we all be frienderererere
Or something. DUST is going to stand on its own feet, don't feel so obligated to go out on a limb to support it. |
Skipper Jones
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.21 01:54:00 -
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What he said about the skills from the closed beta was dead wrong. There was a skill reset when the open beta came out, so that whole pay to catch up with the people from the closed beta was wrong. This is still an open beta so what he said about this being it is wrong. And when the full release comes out its probably gonna be the same huge player base that dust 514 already has. The game has already been released to the "mass public" because it's all over the psn store. |
XiBangBang
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:08:00 -
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I dont like listening to him speak but, I agree with most of the other guys points (I only watched his "stand behind" vid. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:16:00 -
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Look at me!!! memememe! My opinion IS LOUD and i say f**k a lot!
My arguments **** are fundamentally flawed, and bias, for no **** other reason than to cause a response! ****
Look at my video so i feel warm and fuzzy inside.
TL;DR - go play out doors, with the other kids. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:46:00 -
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Great review, awesome work!
Does that guy post?
Thread should be a sticky. |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:02:00 -
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Fanboy tears... Tastes sweeter than you'd think.
It's the old closed beta argument again it seems... Those with actualy shooter experience slags the game for having sub-standard shooting mechanisms while the EVE fanboys defend the game 'till the end of the world.
Keep up the good work, both sides |
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