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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:10:00 -
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I find his facts about having to keep up funny, as he can't even properly aim on that COD movie, whenever he has to keep a solid lock on someone more then 1 second, he uses spray & pray tactics , so i doubt its the skill points....that make him die in Dust..
But sure he brings up a couple of valid points, he also brings up a whole lot of not so valid points...in the last 10 years looking at all the games come and go, only CCP has delivered a game that has persisted and has been updated to new standards along the way.
The bad part about CCP is that they take their sweet baby jesus time with everything they do, walking on space stations is something they are working on for the last 2-3 years, it will get here and it will be awesome but current gen gamers lack the patience to stick around and find out when it gets here. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
400
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:17:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:What he said about the skills from the closed beta was dead wrong. There was a skill reset when the open beta came out, so that whole pay to catch up with the people from the closed beta was wrong. This is still an open beta so what he said about this being it is wrong. And when the full release comes out its probably gonna be the same huge player base that dust 514 already has. The game has already been released to the "mass public" because it's all over the psn store.
I had a 2 week jump I believe over anyone that started when the beta was made open,so yeah...I had a jump over those people. |
GarryKE
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:24:00 -
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I'm dying a lot in your video |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:52:00 -
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Sounds to me like a couple of little kids whose parents are worse than average at keeping their swearing under control.
Also sounds like one of the kids is trying really hard to put on his big-boy voice, but keeps forgetting mid-sentence while he's ranting about how the other guy is stupid.
Is DUST a great game? No. Is DUST a great FPS? No. Is DUST a finished product? No.
Where does that leave us? Both of you are being equally stupid.
Yes, this is a beta, and no amount of "never believe what devs tell you" will change the fact that this game HAS been seeing major changes throughout the course of the beta so far, and the majority of those changes have been for the better. That's not to say that CCP haven't made a few missteps along the way, but we're in a much better state than we were even at the start of Chromosome, and if you handed this guy the Precursor build... actually, I wish we COULD throw him into Precursor. That would be awesome.
Seriously, he's an idiot. He doesn't understand how or why DUST works, but many of the points he makes are good ones. Whether they're inspired by the better aspects of CoD or some other equally short-sighted but equally stable and actually release-quality product is unimportant. He's trying to play the short game in a universe that's all about the long haul, and it doesn't work like that.
For him, DUST is a terrible game. Even for its fans, DUST isn't what it needs to be. But we're fine with that, because we can see where it's going. This YouTuber isn't going to hurt that enough to be worth shouting down. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
9
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:07:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:Don't get me wrong. I love this game. But he's completely right.
The only reason I love this game is the concept and the skill progression... having said that however..
the spawns are broken, the terrain, the movement, the hit detection, the bouncing into/off of walls, taking dmg when falling 2 feet, vehical movement, vehicals exploding when coliding at 2 feet per second. Climbing up/down cliffs, getting stuck on tiny rocks. Menu's taking forever to load, I can't even open up the score screen to peak at scores without killing myself cause it takes ages to load. ALL broken, broken broken totally broken. Basically any and all of the fundamental fps mechanics are all broken, its only the skill system and the long term potential that gives this game any hope. I would never tell any of my fps friends to try this game because I want them to wait and try it if/when its all fixed as they might never come back if they where to try it now...
There's no point in lying about it or pretending this isnt true. The game mechanics are crap. Lets try to improve them and make them better in the long run but closing our eyes and screaming "no they aint" doesn't help in the least.
Some of the things are broken, TRUE, but that's what the bug reporting tool is for. Please help CCP fix them by reporting them. They are pro-actively developing the game and asking for "Player" input to make it better, give your input and do it in a constructive manner. So basically...what he said. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
374
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:16:00 -
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I stopped after the guy said that the beta testers got several months and millions of ISK stored up before the game went to open beta so they were already way ahead.
There is no point is discussing a game with someone who does not know much about it. He did know some terms that are used in Dust but apparently he did not do his homework. |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:18:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:P2W if you have to, but get some stress out.
You asked for me? |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
385
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:31:00 -
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*munches popcorn*
We need more back and forth videos like these. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1242
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:46:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Your response was even more childish than his.
Do I agree with everything he said? No, but he does have some valid points.
I will say this:
Anyone who thinks Dust is great is lying to themselves, or smoking that CCP pole.
Dust has lots of problems. Bad matchmaking, wonky spawns(yes, it still does happen, even with the new horde spawns), and poor documentation amongst them.
Further, the claim that someone has an anti-dust agenda is just ********. You think his goal is to bring down Dust, as opposed to just not liking it.
Also, using his dislike stats as a metric is not remotely viable. You hit the forums and asked for people to go and dislike his vid, and bomb him with comments, and then you point out that he has dislikes? Come on now.
Lastly, in spite of his mention of numerous other franchises he said he enjoyed, you do nothing but reference CoD.
So no, even though I don't agree with his method of presenting his argument, I can see why he would do it in such a manner. If I had posted a critique of a game and then had to deal with rabid fanboys, I would be pissed too.
His video is better than yours.
Word. Both said inaccurate things. OP was worse. By a lot... |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1242
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:48:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:I stopped after the guy said that the beta testers got several months and millions of ISK stored up before the game went to open beta so they were already way ahead.
There is no point is discussing a game with someone who does not know much about it. He did know some terms that are used in Dust but apparently he did not do his homework.
He said we got to keep stuff from closed beta. 50% true. We got two weeks of SP and all those giveaway items. The first guy severely overstresses SP in this game, but the OP is just downright worse for most of his points. |
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